Re: Man of Steel
Saw it last night at midnight (IMAX 3D).
My god, it was brilliant. I loved it. Absolutely loved it.
And Zimmer's score was really fantastic. There's a clear homage to Williams' theme, but it's completely original and very moving.
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Saw it last night at midnight (IMAX 3D).
My god, it was brilliant. I loved it. Absolutely loved it.
And Zimmer's score was really fantastic. There's a clear homage to Williams' theme, but it's completely original and very moving.
This film seems to have a very mixed reaction from people, but I thought it was great myself. I'm not usually one for big CGI clusterfuck setpieces, but damn the action in this impressed me.
I think this is the first movie in a long time where my own reaction is completely mixed. The stuff that's good is really good, and I honestly think this is the best Superman movie yet made. It's not "gritty," but it is serious, removing the irony from all the proceedings and aiming to deal with Superman's internal conflict as much as his external. I don't think it entirely succeeds, but I appreciate the effort.
At the same time, the action, while delivering incredible spectacle, is so monotonous it becomes numbing. I can only watch cartoon people smash into the sides of buildings so many times before I begin to check out, regardless of -- or maybe as a result of? -- the amazing destruction simulations, and that post-9/11 obsession with falling skyscrapers we have often noted was just out of hand here.
I did not like this movie. It just seemed like a great big mess to me. I think I smiled twice throughout it, at least when you don't count the times that I was laughing at silly dialogue. Not that it was necessarily riddled with it, but there were some moments that I couldn't keep a straight face through.
This was a movie that, to me, was too long and yet not long enough. Scenes needed more breathing time. They just sort of all blurred together. By the end it had all felt so rushed, but at the same time I couldn't wait to just get to the end. Maybe this should have been a two-parter?
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I was just tired and grumpy because it was after midnight and I haven't had much sleep lately. But I was disappointed.
I found the perfect guy to play Lex Luthor in the sequel
I found the perfect guy to play literally every character ever.
SPOILER
FTFY.
Eh, too obvious. Lex Luthor is going to be played by someone completely unexpected and, on paper, inappropriate; the internet will froth and rage; then the movie will come out and he'll be amazing and the froth-rage will turn to fellatio and everyone will pretend they had vision all along.
Eh, too obvious. Lex Luthor is going to be played by someone completely unexpected and, on paper, inappropriate; the internet will froth and rage; then the movie will come out and he'll be amazing and the froth-rage will turn to fellatio and everyone will pretend they had vision all along.
Hugh Jackman!
My reaction to this was pretty mixed too. I came away from this film a bit annoyed and disappointed. I had high hopes that this would be the better film this summer... Sadly, it seems to fit right in there with the dark knight rises.
go ahead and rage against me, I don't care. it looks as if this summer isn't turning out much better than last summer...
Eh, too obvious. Lex Luthor is going to be played by someone completely unexpected and, on paper, inappropriate; the internet will froth and rage; then the movie will come out and he'll be amazing and the froth-rage will turn to fellatio and everyone will pretend they had vision all along.
I liked it, but didn't care. Same as Returns.
But I did make one observation that seems oddly crucial to this film and other modern filmmaking.
Tell me about Superman, as if you had only seen this movie. Don't tell me what happened to Superman, tell me about him. Describe Superman as a person. Imagine you're setting me up on a date with him. Who is he?
Right? Nothing.
"Character development" in this movie (and other recent ones I can think of) boils down to simply showing formative experiences, without showing how they actually formed the character. You never see how someone reacts to their circumstances, or reconciles them.
You find out that something has happened to someone, and then you see them later. That's modern character development. My contention is that we shouldn't see what happens to them and then not see how they build their life afterwards, we should see the opposite. We should hear that something awful happened to a character, as we learn more about what they're doing now and how they're managing. Character is personality, and personality is internal reactions - not external events.
Anyway. Movie happened. Disliked score. Come at me Alex.
The film was a flatline for me. Not necessarily bad but there's not much to like about it either. I honesty don't have any desire to ever see it again.
Also important to note, I can picture in my head what this movie would look like without the 225 million dollar price tag. It would be the same movie just some of the action wouldn't be as obnoxious and over the top. I have only seen that in a few other movies. John Carter and Transformers 3 are good examples because the stories are relatively simple (or not even present), but they look way to expensive. It like watching money burn on screen.
Tell me about Superman, as if you had only seen this movie. Don't tell me what happened to Superman, tell me about him. Describe Superman as a person. Imagine you're setting me up on a date with him. Who is he?
He's intelligent, caring and has a deep connection to those closest to him (as evident by flipping shit when Zod showed up at the farm). Initially, he's a man conflicted about his identity. He wants to change and embrace who he really is but doesn't know if the world is ready to accept him. Eventually, he overcomes this internal dilemma and exposes himself to the world because it's more important for him to protect the innocent than protect himself.
Teague wrote:Tell me about Superman, as if you had only seen this movie. Don't tell me what happened to Superman, tell me about him. Describe Superman as a person. Imagine you're setting me up on a date with him. Who is he?
He's intelligent, caring and has a deep connection to those closest to him (as evident by flipping shit when Zod showed up at the farm). Initially, he's a man conflicted about his identity. He wants to change and embrace who he really is but doesn't know if the world is ready to accept him. Eventually, he overcomes this internal dilemma and exposes himself to the world because it's more important for him to protect the innocent than protect himself.
I believe you just got told sir.
i have to agree with Teague here. Alot of reacent movies don' t have great characters that you can describe w/o talking about what happened to them. This movie somewhat notwithstanding. You can say however that many of the characters in this don't change much.
The Pa Kent death scene was done really well. We finally see superman's reaction to something instead of just having a blank face or grimacing.
fwiw, Armond White liked it a lot.
I was going to read it but couldn't get past his first line-
Man of Steel is the first superhero movie to be directed by a real filmmaker since Tim Burton took on Batman in 1989
heh, I guess since it's a glowingly positive review he felt compelled to start with something inflammatory to keep his cred intact.
to be fair, I can sorta see what he means when he says "real filmmaker" - although I'd include Nolan in that category even if White doesn't.
Yeah, it was Nolan I was thinking of too. And I wouldn't say Ang Lee is terrible either.
to be fair, I can sorta see what he means when he says "real filmmaker" - although I'd include Nolan in that category even if White doesn't.
Ang Lee, Chis Nolan, Zack Snyder, Michel Gondry, Kenneth Branagh, Joss Whedon
And those are just the ones I noticed quickly scrolling through the list of superhero movies that came out since Burtons Batman...
I see you're using the school of douche definition of "real filmmaker".
Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2013-06-15 19:13:19)
Ang Lee, Chis Nolan, Zack Snyder, Michel Gondry, Kenneth Branagh, Joss Whedon
Yeah, Zack Snyder is who Almond White meant by the term 'real filmmaker'.
Does The Green Hornet count as a 'Superhero' film?
If Tim Burton, a man who freely admits he couldn't pick a good story of a crap heap, is your benchmark...
Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2013-06-15 19:45:51)
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