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Eddie Doty

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...John Constantine.

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By that logic, the protagonist of any monster movie is the monster, the protagonist of a murder mystery is the murderer, and the protagonist of 2012 is explosions.

The protagonist is our proxy in the story, the one we follow and experience the story with, and the one who experiences the change that we are supposed to vicariously experience with them. Which means the protagonist is almost always the main character.

One exception I can think of is V for Vendetta -- we have dual protagonists in Evey and the police inspector, but the "main character" is clearly V.

Where there's some nuance in the definition is that the protagonist is not necessarily the hero of the piece -- s/he can sometimes be the villain.

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It's not really that simple, either. If you look at a film like Babel, you can see that a movie can have either numerous protagonists or no protagonist at all, depending on how you choose to interpret the word. There's clearly a story there, but it's not of the form "this person did these things" or "these things happened to this person." Nor is it really as simple as "there are several stories happening in this movie" either.

But whatever. That's film-school wankery at its finest.

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Everyone knows that Manhattan's penis is the protagonist.


Loved the commentary on this one. I really enjoy Watchmen even though I've never read the book.

I do need to though smile

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I try to read it once a year, but I never got around to it last year, so that means I need to read it twice this year.

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The Game Of Thrones discussion sparked something in the back of my brain, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (Jaime Lannister) would make an amazing Ozymandias. He has the look, and the general I know everything and I know it sort of smugness to him.

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After reading about how the government is reluctant / unable to prosecute anyone responsible for the GFC, I could see a new type of 21st superhero that takes down Wall Street bankers, etc.

Rather than worrying about knife-crime in dark alleyways, a smart billionaire vigilante like Niteowl / Batman should be tackling the ultimate cause of crime e.g. poverty, inequality, etc - rather than the symptoms.

Is there such thing as a superhero that tackles white-collar crime e.g. hedge fund managers who bet against their clients, Madoff type of Ponzi scheme charlatans, those who award themselves massive bonuses after running their companies into the ground and receiving government assistance, auditors who assess risky portfolios of investments as safe, crooks who receive Presidential pardons at the end of term, negligent drone operators, generals who push for illegal invasions with no post-war planning that kills/displaces hundreds of thousands?

In the commentary, you guys spoke about how Rorschach was the ultimate far right-wing vigilante. Is there a left-wing equivalent in comic books?

not long to go now...

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Gail SImone's The Movement probably qualifies.

Eddie Doty

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Green Arrow's whole thing is that he's a super liberal.

That's why he dresses like Robin Hood and goes after corporations.

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Fun fact: if you search for Watchmen, this thread is the last thing that comes up.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has seen the "Ultimate" version of the movie, the one that edits in the Tales of the Black Freighter. It's a choice between buying that for $25 on DVD, or the Uncut version on Blu Ray.

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So the animated segments are integrated well?

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