Yeah, I'm seeing if anyone minds me reigning in the file size. This one is 46 megs, Contagion was 140.

Interesting... haven't listened yet, but I hated this film, mostly on principle.

Yeah, Moose are like the least scary thing we have around here, massive as all hell, but generally very docile.

Oh and yeah, if you hit them going highway speeds there is no hope, your car and you are paste.

Oh and wait what?

WHAT?

Teague must have me mixed up with someone else.... LOL.

We don't have that much guns in Sweden... And they aren't reall "handed out"....well....apart from when we do our military service (which isn't even mandatory any more).... but oh they absolutely take them back when they send you home.

Owning a gun is a ton of red tape and headache. You need a licence to own a weapon, and getting it is tricky, unless you can motivate the gun for hunting or sports (you can never motivate it for defense, since it's not legal to use for defense).

As far as I know... using a gun against a human is strictly forbidden unless you are a police officer, under pretty much any circumstance .... There is some leeway for "self defense", but basically you must absolutely be in absolutely doubtlessly deadly peril with absolutely no other option whatsoever...

Must sound very Alien to an American, but.... yeah.

EDIT: Having said all the above, I should add that my brother has a bunch of guns and actually volounteers as keeper of a shooting range, and it actually turns out that Sweden - to my own surprise - ranks surprisingly high in "gun ownership" according to the interwebs. Interesting... most likely due to our hunting tradition and I'd guess 90% of these are hunting rifles.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … _ownership   (Frankly I think the statistic seeming high comes more from the fact that there are only 9 million of us, rather than there being a lot of guns...)

/Z

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Haven't heard the episode yet, but everyone in Switzerland gets a rifle.

I basically have the same issues with this movie that I have with Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World. It's fun, creative, well directed and entertaining but that's all surface stuff and I find it lacking beyond the technical accomplishments. And just like Pilgrim, it tries to have some sort of substantial arc or message towards the end but by then, it's too little, too late and doesn't feel earned at all. It seems to justify the kids' actions as being that of a poor man stealing bread to feed his starving family and I don't agree with that. These kids (most of them, anyway) come off more as delinquent sociopaths who steal and threaten because they enjoy terrorizing people, rather than poor castoffs, forced into a life of crime in order to survive. I call bullshit.

Then you have the two little kids, Probz and Mayhem. They idolize these older thug kids and want to be one of them. The movie seems to be fine with this idea and actually sets that as a reward for them, so we're supposed to be happy for them when they get what they want, having suffered no consequences for attaining that goal. To me, that's horrible!

The ending of the movie reaffirms this message, when Moses, the leader of this gang who assaulted a Woman at the start and threatened her with a knife, destroys the monsters and "saves the day" and everyone, EVERYONE is cheering him on as a Hero, which makes no sense because most of those people in that crowd don't even know who the hell he is!

While I understand the movie is about "community" and all that, I don't think the movie does a good enough job to make it clear that the "block" is some kind of close-knit "family" who are all in this together and take care of their own.

Don't get me wrong, I like the movie, I just don't think it's a particularly good movie, which is exactly how I feel about Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World.

Wasn't that the plot of Moose II: The Moosening ?

Never encountered a moose in the wild myself, but I understand they can turn aggressive and unpredictable during mating season.

Moose.  So like us.

Yup, I have the same problems with this as Pavlich. We're forced to 'protagonise' these vile, loathsome shits, and not nearly enough of them are mauled horribly by the creatures.

They do it because that is what they know, basically. The film should have shown more of that, though.

Yeah, there should have been some scene of the younger kids deciding not to grow up to be like that.

No, it's really just the kids that are a family. The drug dealers feign the whole family thing to get what they want from the kids (especially from Moses). The whole block aren't close-knit as is shown with the older woman helping Sam and her disdain for the little thugs.

That's the thing, though, two of them die, it's not as though this lot gets through this thing without a scratch. Plus, they got arrested too, they blew part of a building and Ron will get done for having all that dope. Just because they don't focus on consequences doesn't mean there aren't any. I don't say I disagree with you or Pavlich to a degree but I definitely like the film more.

And despite being hailed as a hero for killing the aliens, Moses still knows he was responsible in the first place for killing the female alien. He knows his two friends died because of him, how can he face their parents now?

Oh, and who will get blamed for killing the two cops? Just because the films ends with people cheering does not make everything ok.

He never has to. The movie lets him off the hook.

You and I know that. I'm not so sure the movie knows that. For a movie that reports to be all about "Actions have consequences", it feels more like, "Only some actions have consequences. Mostly, all will be forgiven if you apologize in the end, or it's not your fault because you, too are a victim."