Topic: Superman (1978)
The pre-roll on this episode is weird.
I have a tendency to fix your typos.
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The pre-roll on this episode is weird.
Feed still says Down in Front and DownInFront.net and everything. What's going on there?
Also, who are you people? And where are my pants?
Tupabab !
What feed?
Haven't downloaded it yet, but is this the 151 minute version, which seems to be the only one Netflix is renting on DVD, or the theatrical cut?
Theatrical.
What feed?
The same old Down in Front feed I've been using for years via iTunes.
What feed SHOULD I be using? Clicking the RSS icon on the front page gets me nowhere.
I didn't know that shit still worked.
I dunno. I talk to Holden, but I never seem to learn anything. I just assume he's got it under control.
Good work on this one, fellas. Nice that Richard Donner's deft use of long takes got some love. Always felt that was a cool, somewhat overlooked aspect of the movie.
Because I'm a die-hard Superman fanboy (I had Superman underwear when I was 8 years-old, and I have Superman boxers now—what of it?), I'm going to be the douchebag who points out that you guys actually had the Reeve/Reeves thing reversed. It's about the easiest mistake to make in the world—one-letter's difference. But yeah, Christopher Reeve (no "s") was the star of the 1978 film and its subsequent sequels. George Reeves (he gets the "s") played the character on TV and in the film Superman and the Mole Men.
Sometimes you'll hear people say that George Reeves was "the original Superman," or "the first Superman," which is not strictly true. Aside from the voice actors who played Superman on the radio and in cartoons, the first actor to put on the blue tights in live-action films was a dude named Kirk Alyn, who starred in two sets of Superman serials. The kicker is that Kirk Alyn is actually in the Donner film (!), briefly and uncredited, along with his original Lois (!!).
The kicker is that Kirk Alyn is actually in the Donner film (!), briefly and uncredited, along with his original Lois (!!).
We mention the Kirk Alyn/Noel Neill cameo when it happens (right around the 36 minute mark).
However, I said that Neill was the Lois from the TV show opposite Reeves... what I didn't remember - until I looked it up just now - was she was Lois in the Alyn movie serials and the tv series.
Check out the Richard Donner Cut of Superman II, guys, it's a better version. The humor is more subtle, much of the silliness is gone.
Great episode - Would have loved to have Alex and the others from the musical spinoff on the show.
Anybody remember this little gem?
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Check out the Richard Donner Cut of Superman II, guys, it's a better version. The humor is more subtle, much of the silliness is gone.
Indeed, it's much more serious, I think the Donner Cut is far superior, it's a shame about the ending.
Rob wrote:The kicker is that Kirk Alyn is actually in the Donner film (!), briefly and uncredited, along with his original Lois (!!).
We mention the Kirk Alyn/Noel Neill cameo when it happens (right around the 36 minute mark).
However, I said that Neill was the Lois from the TV show opposite Reeves... what I didn't remember - until I looked it up just now - was she was Lois in the Alyn movie serials and the tv series.
Oh I know, I know. You guys were on target on everything. I also appreciated that you guys:
* Called-out Superman III for its (even for a Superman movie) inanity. Richard Pryor in that film... ugh, it's one of the saddest, most unfunny things that man ever did.
* Showed admiration for Chris Reeve as a (Juilliard-trained) actor and as a person. By all accounts, he was a really nice man. After his accident, he stumped for stem-cell research. That was back when George W. Bush was saying that stem-cell research was somehow a thorny issue that he had to "think about." He was like Michael J. Fox—in that you had these serious, tragic health problems that could not have happened to a nicer, more talented fella.
* Reflected on the creature known as Margot Kidder. I never liked her as Lois. Someone like Jaclyn Smith or Ali McGraw would have fit the bill so much better. Indeed, she was kind of odd looking. It won't win me any chivalry merit badges any time soon, but I think Teague's insinuations that Kidder resembles Gollum were spot-on.
* Explained the time travel thing clearly. It's still shocking how unclear the presentation of that was.
Agreed. For those who don't know, the ending of Superman was in fact the end of Superman 2, where going back in time is how Superman gets rid of Lois's memory of knowing his secret identity. The studio, getting frustrated with Donner, had him stop work on 2, finish 1, and use that ending. Also in the Donner cut of 2 is a great scene where Lois shoots Clark to prove he's Superman. Pissed, he tells her she could have killed Clark if she was wrong. Lois then shows him the gun was full of blanks. They never actually filmed this, but luckily it was one of the screen tests so that footage is worked into the new version.
It was interesting hearing Trey bash the second film, if only because for years I assumed the general consensus was that 2 was the better film, as it was a big super hero fight which is what people actually wanted in a Superman movie, as opposed to the bore that was the first half of the first film. That's what I seemed to remember from when it came out, but obviously time has not been kind to it
With regard to Superman's powers, every writer who comes on to tackle the character resets his power level to fit what they need for the story. Thus, in the 1990's Bruce Timm cartoon he's weaker than you'd expect, but once they moved on to Justice League episodes his strength was upped so he could fight gods.
Reflected on the creature known as Margot Kidder. I never liked her as Lois. Someone like Jaclyn Smith or Ali McGraw would have fit the bill so much better. Indeed, she was kind of odd looking. It won't win me any chivalry merit badges any time soon, but I think Teague's insinuations that Kidder resembles Gollum were spot-on.
[spits out his malibu and coke] Wtf!?! Sacrilege!
Enjoying the episode, fellas. Classic movie. Great commentary.
Great episode - Would have loved to have Alex and the others from the musical spinoff on the show.
Glad to see someone appreciates me.
But in all seriousness, I would have just been sitting there silently pooping my pants with glee. I mean, come on--the main theme actually sounds like someone is yelling SUPERMAN!
Dammit Williams, you genius bastard.
Once I get a free couple hours I'll check this episode out and actually have something to contribute to the conversation--other than my usual John Williams worship, of course.
I've been reading the JJ draft of Superman since you guys mentioned it. I am LOVING IT, and it is making me A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED that Man of Steel didn't INCLUDE more from it.
(that's actually how he writes in the draft, btw. all caps all over the place - at one point, during the final battle:
THE AUDIENCE WILL GO INSANE)
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Yeah, that's the one thing about J.J.'s writing style that gets a little old, and his protege Lindelof took that ball and ran with it hard.
As aggravating as it is to us normals, I think it's actually part of what gets these guys the jobs. The beancounters reading the scripts don't know from story, but the script sure seems EXCITING AS HELL and a skimming executive can catch all the IMPORTANT PARTS because they're RIGHT IN HIS FACE.
Here's Drew Mcweeny's utter trashing of that Abrams draft, for those who haven't read it: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/13350
Just based on what he says happens, I think it sounds pretty terrible, and it seems to demonstrate all of the things I hate about Abrams' approach to storytelling, glad it didn't get made. Maybe it reads better, but I dunno, those story choices....no thanks
Here's Drew Mcweeny's utter trashing of that Abrams draft, for those who haven't read it: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/13350
Just based on what he says happens, I think it sounds pretty terrible, and it seems to demonstrate all of the things I hate about Abrams' approach to storytelling, glad it didn't get made. Maybe it reads better, but I dunno, those story choices....no thanks
Oh my god that sounds atrocious. Superman's dad tells him, "You can't die because you're the chosen one!" and Superman is like, "K" and just DECIDES TO COME BACK TO LIFE?!?!? Man of Steel haters need to read this thing, because there's no way the movie we got can be any worse than this.
How many goddamn "chosen ones" does the world need?
You can read the Abrams draft here. It's...not great.
You can read the Abrams draft here. It's...not great.
"Octorber"
Well JJ, we're off to a flying start already aren't we.
I'll say this: The Clark/Lois dynamic plays really well. But any time he cuts to anything plot-related the script flatlines.
INT. SHOWER - DAY
Clark takes a shower -- a good moment for the female
audience.
Jesus Christ JJ.
Last edited by Doctor Submarine (2013-06-19 01:03:52)
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