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Speaking for the splatter: the other possibility is that for promotional material which is going to be widely accessible, they may have replaced the gorier elements with more PG-13ish effects, while the movie itself will have effects more like the original.
First and foremost, I would guess that the sequel does have a significantly smaller budget. It's been nearly ten years since the original, which indicates that the studio wasn't exactly chomping at the bit to go back to that well, nor does Rodriguez exactly blow the doors off the box office when he puts out a film. I can't find any info on the budget but Google does show me press releases that the VFX for the sequel are being handled by Prime Focus -- who on the fast-cheap-good triangle have the reputation (and track record) of being squarely the fast-cheap choice.
Rodriguez's recent efforts are plagued by the fact that he was never a particularly good filmmaker to begin with -- the method and attitude with which he approached filmmaking were far more interesting than the final results -- compounded by the fact that since GRINDHOUSE he's discovered that there is an audience that enjoys deliberately cheesy shit like MACHETE, and he's riding a sweet spot of spending just enough to be a cut above ASYLUM films, but not so much his films are actually financially risky.
The first SIN CITY was made by a guy who was still growing as a filmmaker and trying to elevate the material artistically and bring it to life. This one is being made by a guy whose whole schtick has settled into deliberately targeting so-bad-it's-good absurdity. Why spend the money and time when his target audience doesn't care?
100% guessing, of course. No inside knowledge of production and I'm not the dude's therapist or anything.
Oh, also, they're releasing this one in 3D -- and as far as I can tell, they shot it that way natively rather than converting. So I guess instead of doing two times the work, they're doing half the work twice.
I don't know. The lines on the prosthetic chin are really obvious in that second clip at around 6 seconds. Maybe Rodriguez was never happy with it and decided to go with something different, and that turned out just as bad and more exaggerated.
But I agree with Michael. Rodriguez never grew into the film maker he showed promise of. He probably thinks he's just cashing in on a grindhouse trend until he busts out a blockbuster, but I think he may find himself stuck in the grindhouse permanently.
I will always be grateful to Rodriguez in the way I will always be grateful to Kevin Smith for inspiring me to try this shit. That said, neither filmmaker lived up to the promise of the premises of their personal narratives. Same goes for Matty Rich. It kinda goes back to that gag from Garth Merenghi's Darkplace where he says, "I've actually written more books than I've read." All three filmmakers got shot into public consciousness long before they had finished maturing in their craft. In the end, you're left with serious arrested development in terms of sensibilities. I kinda feel bad for Rodriguez because he did the noble thing by essentially creating a cottage film industry in Austin (along with Linklater) and is personally responsible for a lot of people's careers. The drawback is, he's gotta keep making films in order to support them, and not to satisfy his own artistic rhythms. Hence, all three Spy Kod movies, The Spirit, Machete's 1 through however many, and now Sin Coty 2.
He should pull a Spielberg and produce films to support that stuff, only directing when there's something he really wants to do. However, it's also possible that those ARE the films he artistically wants to create.
Ya, Rodriguez's career is depressing as hell. To have a "big budget" debut with something as awesome and passionate as Desperado, and then with each successive movie embracing the worst elements of the previous movie and just getting gradually and gradually shittier, instead of the opposite. If his takeaway from his first 2 films had been a greater sense of restraint and better focus on story, he could've turned into a filmmaker on the level of Tarantino, but he went the exact opposite route. Much as I like From Dusk Till Dawn, it's blindingly apparent with those 2 halves why Tarantino became a great and why Rodriguez didn't. I can't think of another case of a successful, exciting genre filmmaker devolving over the course of a decade to making essentially shitty youtube fan-films.
There should be a Stonecutters-type secret society of directors who started as great and progressively got worse. The Downhill Club. (Shamaylan's the chairman.)
I have a soft spot in my heart for those guys. It's like someone whose greatest achievements were in high school, and the rest of his life is just a succession of failures.
I think you're talking about different things here though. The case of guys like Rodriguez and Kevin Smith is that they never got to the point where they were making great movies in the first place. They had a promising debut film, then chased all their worst impulses and never made anything that significant again.
And either way, I wouldn't throw Ridley Scott or Scorcese into your category. Scorsese has made great movies across 4 decades (with some misses in between, no doubt). Ridley Scott has always been hit or miss, he's alternated between massive highs and lows his entire career, and while he is admittedly on a bit of a downslope for 3 movies now, I'm quiet looking forward to Exodus.
Yeah, I actually prefer Scorcese's more recent stuff to be honest.
There's also a difference between a talented person who rests on laurels and/or gets lazy (Kevin Smith) and someone who never had it to begin with. Shamaylan, to me, is the latter. The fact that The Sixth Sense is such a good movie seems almost like an accident when you look (if you dare) at everything else he's done.
Didn't Prime Focus just buy DNeg, too?
Yeah, though as I recall there's some weird corporate ouroboros going on where DNeg owns a chunk of Prime Focus' parent company, and Prime Focus is now a controlling shareholder in DNeg (or not? As I recall DNeg insisted they won't be controlling operations but I think just numerically they have a controlling interest).
I guess that's no different than an individual owning stock in the company they work for... but it's still a bit wonky.
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