Paul is right. I'm out.

Alright, I've read some more of the Film Crit Hulk stuff and decided I don't completely hate him. His style isn't always ridiculously flowery and bordering on nonsense. The James Bond articles are perfectly good—and quite in-depth—critiques (altho I'm not fond of the Cracked-style pics with komedy kaptions).

Points to Teague.

Last edited by Zarban (2014-07-18 05:32:45)

Frankly, I'm surprised that you're surprised.

Side A thinks side B is reading way too much into some jokes.

Side B thinks Side A is allowing the complete and utter destruction of everything good and noble.

Side C thinks both Side A and Side B should grow up.

Side D is just gonna go laugh at the jokes.

I've very recently joined side D.

Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2014-07-18 05:42:53)

Wowsers.

Sometimes I march confidently onto the field of online discussion, and other times I feel like taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture.

I like good movies, you like good movies, and we all want people to like good movies. Yeah.

Disclaimer: if you dislike the tone of a post I make, re-read it in a North/East London accent until it sounds sufficiently playful

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Please bear with me.

In the 80's, I watched Star Wars many times on TV. I did not see films in a theater until I was in my late teens/early 20's. Do you recall Luke saying he saw a sandperson? What was he talking about? There is no sandperson on screen. The TV version cut that side of the film. It bugged me for over a decade until I finally saw a letterbox version of the film.

In Wild Wild West, the Fresh Prince is in a water tower with a lady early in the movie. It's unhygienic. It's highly unlikely anyone would do that. When the tower falls and he is unscathed, it is improbable. But, these things establish the style and tone of the movie. The fact that the naked sexy lady vanishes is...problematic. I am slightly invested in the character after seeing her all nakedy. A falling water tower could crush and kill someone. Did she die? Did she land just as safely, grab a blanket and run off? I don't know and I am left confused.

CinemaSins is just what they claim to be. They count the things in movies that they choose to call "sins". These are not an indicator of how amusing the movie will be, etc. But, there is often a correlation between high or low counts and good or bad movies (in my opinion of movie enjoyment). It's just like the audience % on RottenTomatoes. It suggests there may or may not be something you won't like. As an example, lots of things bugged me in HP and the Order of the Phoenix (the book also). Everything that took me out of the movie or annoyed me or broke my suspension of disbelief was mentioned by CinemaSins. I do not look for these things. The term 'fridge logic' confounded me for over a year as it occurred to me immediately that a fridge is not protection from an atomic blast; That simply being hurled a distance in a fridge would pulp poor Indy. As another example, the end of Edge of Tomorrow is deeply flawed and confusing. I may watch it again but I cannot call it a great movie, as a result. I see these things and it is my curse that I cannot stop seeing them. 

TREY:
I have loved your insights and value your experience.
If the following quotes refer only about people who broadcast about film mistakes, you are name-calling and insulting and it's pretty harsh.
However, if you are talking about everyone who notices these things, I'd like an apology. You are entitled to your opinion of nit-picking, but these are not things you say to a person unless you are trying to hurt them. You certainly hurt my feelings (and that is hard to admit).

"I'm going to hear from those jack-offs and who cares. That's just life. But, Fuck those people. Being one of those people I think is it's own punishment because what kind of human does that? I mean, if you're going to be one of those people that's fine."

"I would never have noticed that because I am a normal human being who, you know, has touched girls"

I'd like to think there is at least some tiny part of you that will read this and think "that's not what I meant" and that you'll say so. I think you know you can say very mean things and this time some of it was directed at people you didn't mean to hurt.

And, let's not gang up on me here, OK? I'm not a hippy, feely guy trying to get attention.

Trey was using irreverent hyperbole to make a point. If he were a politician speaking on the floor of the senate, an apology might be in order. A guy talking a little smack on a lighthearted movie podcast doesn't exactly shock the conscience.

I just want to quote and say you did a good job. Your description of Cinema Sins (among others) is closer to how I feel and I appreciate someone else expressing it.

As for Trey's thoughts, I'll leave that to him, but I took it as hyperbole and a bit of poking fun. But, I certainly can understand the feelings too

There isn't. They just point out things that stand out and/or make shit up. The "scene does not contain a lap dance" line has no value whatsoever and can be used in any context. It's impossible to take this stuff seriously on any level.

This sums it up pretty well I think:

"We are not reviewers, we're assholes"
"Why was this called a sin? Fuck you, that's why"

I get that that's not CinemaSins stated intention. But Jp12x specifically said, "there is often a correlation between high or low counts and good or bad movies (in my opinion of movie enjoyment). It's just like the audience % on RottenTomatoes. It suggests there may or may not be something you won't like."

And I'm wondering how it can function in that capacity for him when the count is inflated by things that are just intended to be jokes. Hell, I forget the specific example, but I saw one video where they called something cool and THAT counted as a sin too.