1 (edited by Landporpus 2011-10-18 23:08:36)

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I've been wanting to post this for a wile but I've been buzzy but anyway...

I don't know if anybody has seen that new movie Drive but holy shit that movie was piss awful.

It fails in the same way that No Country For Old Men does where we know nothing about the characters and/or there motivations, but Drive takes that problem to a whole new level were we literally know nothing about the main character, including his name. You should know your movie is not working when all the supporting characters are more developed then your main character.

This movie isn't even about nothing, This movie is nothing.

Anybody else feel this way?

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...nope.

I loved it. Then again, I recognize all of the myriad weirdnesses. It's possible much of my initial "oh hell yes" was sheer refreshment.

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Nope.

I agree with Teague on this one. This movie is old-school cinema, pure film history. It's as if Michael Mann and Walter Hill had a beautiful, angry baby. smile The mystery of the main character is in fact the point.

We don't know the name of Clint Eastwood's character or where he comes from in those classic Westerns, either. That doesn't automatically make it a bad movie. It's a deliberate choice on the part of the filmmakers.

Edward Norton has no identity in Fight Club. He's only referred to as "Jack" in the credits, which of course is a reference to a running joke in the book/film. The Joker in The Dark Knight is another example. The movie even points this out, specifically. Not only does he have no ID, he has no fingerprints, no social security number. They even suggest his suit is custom-made, since it also has no label. What about Tom Cruise in Collateral? Sure, he SAYS his name is Vincent, but he could be lying, and what else do we really know about him for certain? The killer in Se7en burned off his own fingerprints and is only identified in the credits and film proper as "John Doe".

No Country For Old Men? Are you kidding me? THAT'S your example? These elements you consider failings are simply a part of the story they're trying to tell. That would be like complaining about a movie being shot in color, or worse, an aspect ratio.

Hey, if DRIVE didn't work for you, fine. If you didn't like the story, or the execution of that story, okay. But I feel like you're more trying to state opinion as fact, which seems odd and counter-intuitive to me. I think the film worked for about 99% of its running time. I feel they stayed true to their tone and intentions within their genre and premise. It's a Neo-Noir at its core, with just a hint of Western archetypes. Perhaps the book is better, I don't know, but I recognized the film for what it is, and in that context, I think it was achieved beautifully.

To each their own, I guess.

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There's a crucial difference between a mysterious character and a character who isn't developed. I've not seen Drive yet, but I'm guessing that landporpus' complaint is that the main character is the latter, not the former.

I can sympathise with being frustated at not being able to understand a protagonist's motivations. I recently watched The Social Network and it suffers a similar problem.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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Okay. I loved this movie as well. Before you go trashing it, realize that this was supposed to be a Hugh Jackman vehicle from the director of DOOMSDAY and CENTURION. Just keep in mind what this movie was supposed to be, and what it became instead.

Also, the main character of NO COUNTRY isn't Josh Brolin. It's Tommy Lee Jones. The movie isn't about whether or not this guy will get away with the money, it's about how this series of events changes the way an old school cop looks at his job and the world.


-  Branco

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DRIVE is awesome. What it isn't is a movie that's going to explain itself for the cheap seats. It's being sold as an action movie, but it's the kind of movie that would be considered actiony in the 60s, not today. It's more of a thriller and a drama, and the characters are plenty developed, but the movie doesn't tell you about them by having them speak. If you're not willing to do some legwork and engage with the movie rather than sit back and have the movie explain itself to you, then DRIVE is the wrong movie for you.

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I don't even think you have to do that much legwork to understand the characters.  It's all right there for you.


- Branco

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Yeah, I was trying to find a nicer way of saying "If you think the characters are undeveloped, you probably weren't paying attention."

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Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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Drive is much more Taxi Driver than Fast and the Furious.

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Christ almighty, the Meat Beard is in full effect in that photo.

Eddie Doty

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I totally agree with Branco about No Country. Even better, there's a scene in there where TLJ effectively solves one of the mysteries of the case and doesn't even realize it. His brain is saying "NO YOU FOOL! The guy you're chasing isn't using a gun!" and he just sits there eating his eggs and wondering why that thing about the cows popped into his head.

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Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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One way I think of filmmakers making a film, I think of bakers making an amazing cake. There are many ways and technics to make a cake, and you can get many creative, artistic, and yummy results. In terms of Drive, its like they had all the ingredients but no tools, (They have Characters, but can't really shape them into people we care about.) The cake is then opted to be made by awkward means, but the cake comes out so different that it doesn't even resemble a cake anymore.

Im saying they just didn't give me enough information about any one character to care about anything thats going on.

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And that's fine, different people have different minimum requirements for being interested in things. And they're different things, at that.

No one movie is gonna hit everyone, even if a lot more people like it than like some other movie.

I liked it.

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