Topic: Proper spoilerific Hobbit thread

Enough with the "How will you be seeing the Hobbit" thread. This is a proper story discussion thread.

I just saw it (24fps 2D), and I liked it very much. It's too long, but it felt like watching the extended edition. I was relieved that it had a lighter tone than LOTR.

Radagast was great but a bit cartoony. The orc warlord was too similar to the gimpy one in LOTR (and too CG). The opening legends and dwarf dinner sequence were too long. Some of the action sequences were too long and too cartoony but had me wishing I'd been that clever as a D&D dungeon master.

Storywise, the film has two jobs: get Bilbo integrated into the party and get the party over a major obstacle on their way to the Lonely Mountain. The former felt a bit forced because Bilbo never really has a reason to want it. And the latter was done with the orc warlord instead of something more organic.

For example, show that Gandalf's needling really gets to Bilbo and makes him want to prove his mettle. Have the dwarves discuss what monsters they're likely to encounter, scaring Bilbo; Thorin explicitly states that if they get captured by goblins they're screwed. Then have Bilbo enable their escape via invisibility, paying off both requirements.

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I've seen it thrice now, and I actually liked it less each time. I think the main problem boils down to the fact that there is not nearly as much of a focus on Bilbo as there should be. For a movie called The Hobbit, he sure gets lost in the shuffle once the journey begins. He barely does anything at all until Riddles in the Dark, and after that the movie wants to convince us that he's gone through some sort of character arc. It's totally unconvincing.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

I've seen it thrice now, and I actually liked it less each time. I think the main problem boils down to the fact that there is not nearly as much of a focus on Bilbo as there should be. For a movie called The Hobbit, he sure gets lost in the shuffle once the journey begins. He barely does anything at all until Riddles in the Dark, and after that the movie wants to convince us that he's gone through some sort of character arc. It's totally unconvincing.

I actually felt the choice for him to kill Smeagol then holding back was more the change, as well as the realization that he has more in common with the Dwarves than he realized. His whole dialogue about missing home struck me as a sign of the beginning of character growth but I think that it is only the beginning of what his arc will be in the next two movies. I don't think its an arc but that it starts the changes for the next two movies.

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I just saw it in 3D HFR. The 3D was too distracting for my taste, but the HFR didn't bother me. One of the benefits of being an avid gamer I suppose. As for the movie itself...I didn't like it. It felt too cartoony to me. How am I supposed to believe this is the same world as LOTR with dwarves bouncing around stone tunnels and sliding down cliffs on bridges. Same goes for the goblins. I was hoping they would look similar (if not the same) to the goblins we see in Moria. Instead, we get a horde of furless gremlins led by King Goitre. Where's the sense of danger? And alas, Radagast. I object to the depiction of his character entirely. There's a difference between being a little silly and entirely ridiculous, and I think Jackson trod way more on the ridiculous side for The Hobbit. Rabbits pulling sleighs? (at high speeds...on grass ffs)  That's something I'd expect in Alice in Wonderland, not Middle Earth.


In my opinion, the biggest detriment of the movie (and possibly the trilogy as a whole, but I won't get ahead of myself,) was Jackson's decision to make 3 movies. I'm assuming this is the reasoning behind the implementation of the (almost) entire Azog storyline, the elongated action sequences, Radagast etc etc. I wish he would've remained more faithful to the book, but I don't think that's possible if you split The Hobbit into 3 parts. There's just too much nothing between the exciting bits, and the exciting bits are too long.


Despite all this, there were a few things I liked. I think Martin Freeman did a decent job as Bilbo, although it felt like he was channelling a bit too much  Dr. Watson. Most of the props looked great (almost like this took place in Middle Earth.) The only other thing that felt like LOTR was the score (probably because they reused quite a few of the themes), with the Misty Mountain theme standing out. Riddles in the Dark was well done too.

In summary: too cartoony, too childish, too boring and too long. I was hoping for a journey back to Middle Earth and what I got was not even close.

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I saw it in just regular 3D and enjoyed it. The movie looks very beautiful, although thats kind of to be expected these days. I agree that it was more childish and cartoony than I originally thought/wanted it to be, but that didn't turn me off to much. But yea, it was a tad too long, didn't help that the theatre chairs werent comfy to begin with either.

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Just back from the VFX bakeoff, where I saw ten minutes of Hobbit in 3D and HFR...

...and  I really liked it. 

I might feel different after two and a half hours, but for those ten minutes I thought the 3D and the HFR were pretty cool.

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I saw it in 24p3D, and enjoyed it quite a lot. The first time 3D wasn't in the way for me.

Also, Gorkil's death scene was pretty funny. The only thing that was weird about him, was the choice of voice. He just sounded like a regular dude.

Smaug looked pretty fucking good(the little we saw, obviously), and Gollum was every bit amazing as expected.

I'll agree that the film was a bit childish, but I went in thinking it's a film adaptation of a chilren's book so I'm more than okay with it.

EDIT: Trey, why the hell is it called the "bakeoff" anyway. Is there pastry involved?

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It acquired that name ironically long ago, because it's just like an actual bakeoff - everybody brings their best pie, and they all get tasted and voted on.   

I think Makeup also calls their nominating event a "bakeoff", I dunno if any other branch does.

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Is there going to be another DIF about the bake-off this year? I really like hearing the inside scoop from those.

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Might do, might do.

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I could possibly be available to record.

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I loved the last one, you definitely should do it.

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Gary Busey weighs in:

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I know there's a lot of effects enthusiasts around here, so I figured this might be enjoyed by some. Pretty interesting article with some fascinating breakdown clips. http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2013/01/ … -and-azog/

And I feel slightly vindicated but slightly angrier on the Azog issue after watching that last one. Though I wonder if he'll be improved in the next film given that they know what they're doing from day one.

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First official look at Evangeline Lilly in The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/evangeline-lilly-hobbit-570x353.jpg

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AshDigital wrote:

First official look at Evangeline Lilly in The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2013/06/03/FL-The-Hobbit-Desolation-of-Smaug_1224x760.jpg

Would. I mean Wood. I mean Wood Elf.  lol

not long to go now...

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Must resist looking at any pictures!

By the way, there appears to be an Extended Edition coming out later this year, featuring 15 minutes of extra stuff. Any thoughts as to what these could be? More dwarven antics, longer prologue, or some hobbiton scenes?

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redxavier wrote:

Must resist looking at any pictures!

Pic is 404 fyi, I did see it before...and it is just me or did her costume look like something Link might wear...like a sort of so-so comic con version of Link?

redxavier wrote:

By the way, there appears to be an Extended Edition coming out later this year, featuring 15 minutes of extra stuff. Any thoughts as to what these could be? More dwarven antics, longer prologue, or some hobbiton scenes?

I honestly could not care any less what the hell they include, nothing could save it or even pull it slightly out of it's headlong dive into moronity. I've almost given up on the sequels...but holding onto just enough hope to last long enough to see Cumberbatch as Smaug.

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Cumberbatch plays, as far as I know, The Necromancer, not Smaug?

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He plays both...and if the rumor's I've heard are right...

He's doing fucking mo-cap for Smaug...

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=95351

Somebody just fucking shoot me.

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BigDamnArtist wrote:

He's doing fucking mo-cap for Smaug...

Somebody just fucking shoot me.

Why is this a bad thing?

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Sam F wrote:
BigDamnArtist wrote:

He's doing fucking mo-cap for Smaug...

Somebody just fucking shoot me.

Why is this a bad thing?

Because apparently I'm the only person on the goddamn planet that thinks applying human capture data to a 4 legged winged dragon is a ridiculous and a pathetic state of affairs.

But hey whatever, I've been outvoted, dropping it now.

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Trey wrote:

It CAN be a ridiculous idea if used incorrectly.    It can also be really useful if used properly.   Just like everything else.

Yeah, I mean of course they're not gonna try to use all of his entire body's movements to map to the dragon's body. I figured they'd use it to help mostly with facial subtleties and stuff like that.

But who knows.

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