Topic: Photoshop Help?

There's a whole long back story, which I'd be happy to get into later, but right now...I just want to ask my question. I know there are those on this forum with vastly more photoshop talent than I, so I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me out.

Does anyone know a way in which to convert a photo into something that resembles a painting or drawn artwork in photoshop (CS4)? The idea is basically to convert a photo of some people in costume into characters that I can cut/paste onto backgrounds for a comic.

Keep in mind it doesn't have to look "amazing" or "perfect" by any stretch. I've yet to see anything that really "works" beyond painting over the entire photo from scratch, but as I don't have a tablet and my mouse is spotty, I'd like to keep the brushwork to minimum. I know some will certainly be necessary, but I'm willing to sacrifice some quality on this point.  I'm basically looking for "passable"...but most tutorials I've found online consist of one of two options:

1) Full re-painting of the entire image from scratch using the photo as a go by, or
2) Some combination of filters

The problem is that 1 simply isn't possible my current hardware and/or talent level, and 2 generally looks like total crap. I'm hoping that someone here can find me a balance of some subtle filter work, with some brush work where needed, to get me something that can at least "not offensive" to look at.

So...help?

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Can you dig up a piece of reference that is the sort of artwork you're trying to emulate?

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Lemme take a swing at it real quick and see what I can come up with that's more or less intermediate in terms of PS skill, but looks alright.

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Interesting...Fotosketcher looks like a decent start. I'd like to retain more detail in the faces, but the rest does look better than many of the filter combos I've tried. I'll add it to the list of things to play with.

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8 (edited by BigDamnArtist 2013-02-19 21:03:18)

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@Teague

If it's not too much trouble, I'd love to see the video. I'm intellectually curious, so I generally fall into the "more info the better" category. That conversion definitely looks like comic art, which is awesome.

Yeah, I knew the Struzan emulations were labor intensive paint-jobs. They look great, but a bit much for what I'm looking for.

@BigDamnArtist

You're right...those faces creep me the hell out! But the outlining does bring out some inking lines that I might otherwise have to do myself with a brush.

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Thanks all, for the help so far! Please keep it coming if you have any other ideas!

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If you're going for a subtle effect, putting on heavy Topaz filters is a good place to start.

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@fireproof: I like the way the colors flattened out in that, but the black everywhere looks very "blah" to me. That's one of the issues I ran into with filter-only photoshop conversions as well. What I find interesting is that the more I look at the original image from Capt. America, the more I think that image looks pretty "comic book" on it's own. Never realized that. Good on the DP.

@Allison: I'm not familiar with "Topaz" filters/effects...so I'm off to YouTube to learn up!

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What about smoothing it out with levels and then add filter (film grain) and end with a bit of color halftones (adjust the dots for desired look)?

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@Ash: I'm not sure I know what you mean by "smoothing it out with levels". Whenever I've messed with basic levels adjustments, it changes the brightness, contrast, and WB...but it doesn't mess with the texture of the image all that much. Or am I missing something?

I've tried the film grain & half tones, and it generally came out kind of a mess. Again, could totally be my fault...but I couldn't find the balance of making look like artwork without losing so much detail that it looks nearly abstract.

@Allison: Wow...never heard of Topaz plug-ins before, but those are crazy. I'm thinking I might have to try the 30-day trial, because there certainly seems to be some serious horsepower to those filters. Some look like they'd work really well for what I'm trying to achieve. The cost kind of sucks, so if I can get there some other way, that'd be better -- but I think that barring something else coming up, it might be worth it.

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15 (edited by AshDigital 2013-02-20 13:09:31)

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Topaz is great stuff indeed.

But, in reality, to the original inspiration files linked to; no, there's no quick way. You can cheat it, sure, but it won't look halfway as awesome, I'm afraid. Teague's onto something, though.

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@Ash: Yeah, the first image is what I was normally ending up with. And I generally felt that a comic consisting of that all the way through would have people putting it down without giving it a chance -- it's just too harsh on the eye, to me at least (If you/anyone disagree, feel free to tell me). The latter ones do look better, and I guess if need be I could shoot the photos with that in mind. After the cutout was added, that's not too bad.

The bottom one "series of images" you created looks very good! I'd prefer color, but that certainly looks more like a comic than I've been able to produce using my limited knowledge base.

@Tomahawk: Yeah, I wasn't expecting a 5-min conversion. I've tried enough combinations of filters and tutorials to know that I just can't get something that looks decent without doing more work. I always assumed that some masking and brush work would be needed if I was ever going to get this to work. Even with the Topaz filters, I expect more work is involved than "open, apply filter, save".

I just need to avoid having to paint from scratch, as I don't have the skill or tech to really undertake that. And obviously spending 15 hours on a single image, when I could have 400+ images to convert, is just not the most practical.

I'm willing to sacrifice quality, as that's the trade off for speed/ease -- but my belief was that the users around these parts would be able to help avoid as steep a trade off as I'd have to endure if I tried to figure it out myself. So far, that's certainly been the case...several of these are better than I did just "trying stuff" in photoshop, and I've gotten a handful of other ideas I intend to try later, as well.

If anyone else has done some tests, or has ideas, I'm still listening. Until I settle on a process and actually start the conversions, I'm totally open to changing and refining the process. I still have to shoot all the photos, as well...which is the pre-production phase I'm beginning now. So I do have a while, if y'all want to experiment.

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I'm pretty sure(although not 100%) After Effects has a Cartoon effect. Tried playing with it? You should obviously make sure your footage is over-saturated and tinted first.

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@Tomahawk: I don't have After Effects...but I'd be curious to see how the "Cartoon" effect works on an image. I obviously will only have stills, though.

@Lamer: Not bad! What process/steps did you use?

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Errr... I wish I remembered. I just played around with the image. Levels -> stamp on one layer and levels -> edges -> equalize on top (I think) with transfer mode set to darken and some color balance.

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