Re: Prometheus
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I've never done a star wars prequel review.
Unless you count posting "It sucked" on a forum. In that case, never mind.
I almost saw this on the weekend but thought better of it after reading all the negative comments here. I'm not surprised the writing is nonsensical and awful, as Damon Lindelof did after all write the atrocious LOST.
That video could have been an hour long and they still wouldn't have asked all the questions you could ask about the things that don't make sense in that film.
So apparently there's a new Prometheus-related viral going on that came from the film. At the end there's a Weyland logo with a date and a timeline url. 10-11-12. In the timeline, that represents the date that Weyland Industries was officially incorporated. I'm trying to relate that to Jesus somehow, but I can't...
Some people seem to think it's the date that the DVD is going to come out. I dunno if that's true or not. I haven't heard anything at work about when they expect to release the thing. That date lands on a thursday, tho, which isn't your typical DVD release day. So I dunno. Right now the only thing that would make me care at all is if the REAL movie comes out on that date, and that this movie was just some expensive, elaborate practical joke or something.
Why WAS old Weyland played by Guy Pearce in make-up? Surely it wasn't just so they could do that TED Talk thing as part of the viral marketing...
I found a piece that talks about this
Oh, and as for why Weyland is played by Guy Pearce in old-man makeup, Spaihts says Damon Lindelof's script showed the android David going inside Weyland's dreams while he was in hypersleep — and in his dreams, Weyland is a young man, on a yacht surrounded by beautiful women. These dream conversations got cut, but Pearce's casting was already locked in. Scott had originally wanted to cast Max von Sydow as Peter Weyland. (In Spaiht's script versions, Weyland isn't aboard the Prometheus at all — instead, there's a hidden squad of company soldiers.)
Whose decision was it to have Lindelhof go over the script? Also, what are the odds of being able to find Spaiht's script floating around on the interwebs somewhere?
I suspect, though, that some of the problems stem from Ridley Scott as well as any script doctoring from Lindelhof. I've not seen Prometheus yet, but Robin Hood was a clusterfuck of a film (and some of what I've been hearing seem to echo that film's problems).
"If there is anybody who is known for inevitable disappointment, it’s me. I’m Mr. Inevitable Disappointment!"
- Damon Lindelhof.
I saw it yesterday—it felt like Act One of a movie I actually want to see (the adventures of Shaw and David's head in search for the true origin of life, with lots of philosophical discussion on the idea of "who made us?"). You guys have already covered a lot of the logic problems, but for me, I could have taken some of those had we been more engaged with the characters. Prometheus thinks it's an ensemble film, but it's really not—it's Shaw's story, with David as a secondary character. But since we don't spend enough time with Shaw (I think we actually spend the most time with David; fair enough, considering Fassbender's fantastically creeptastic performance), we don't engage with her. I watched the last thirty minutes wishing I liked her character more.
Vickers, as a character, was utterly wasted, and I never really got David's motivation. (I could parse one out, but I just wanted a hint more logic.)
Still, very pretty. I loved the design of the Engineers.
I saw it yesterday—it felt like Act One of a movie I actually want to see (the adventures of Shaw and David's head in search for the true origin of life, with lots of philosophical discussion on the idea of "who made us?").
That was one of the things that irked me the most about the way the movie ended. David and Shaw were the only two characters I came close to giving a damn about. A movie where they take their hijacked Engineer ship off on a space adventure to find our true makers and discover why they made us and why they want to unmake us... That sounds pretty awesome, actually. Because just in the initial premise you've ditched most of the dead weight that dragged Prometheus down. But I have two problems with that. One is that they'd still be building off this extremely flawed mythology, so they're crippled from the start. The other... they made a sub-par movie and sacrificed a sensible ending in the name of sequel set-up... I don't want to reward them for that by giving them more of my money should the sequel become a reality.
I saw it last night. It didn't piss me off as much as it did some other people. It's a very pretty, often exciting movie that is full of plot holes.
Just saw it in London - in IMAX 3D. Cinema was full of 40 year old nerds that grew up with Alien/s.
The first act was full of cliches - ship's crew wakes up and don't know what's happening. They all have asbergers and hang shit on each other. The scientists act like truckers.
One biologist is swigging nonchalantly on a bottle of vodka while they examine the first ever alien head ever. Whatever.
The geologist character was awful.
Mr Enlightened UberMensh wakes up at the end (the big finale that'll answer all the questions) and just goes 'rrraaa' and kills everyone, like he's got the IQ of a WWF wrestler.
Who filmed and projected the holograms? What was it all about? Huh?
The positives: it looked great, the Prometheus ship was highly detailed, the 3D was fine, the score was okay (although I had prepped myself first with the score). Fassbender's acting was good. Production design was good.
The negatives: the dumb dialogue, all the cliches, the unresolved character motivation, the low-brow action (raa), the lack of originality in creature effects, etc.
Alien+Aliens is so good as a one-two combination, that this hasn't a hope to compare.
It felt like half a movie. I hope they have the Prometheus 2 greenlit and in the can soon to resolve this - that would be the only saving grace.
How does Shaw know the uber-race will greet her and her pet head? What if she steps out of the ship on the home planet, and the same thing happens again i.e. Mr Uberrace goes 'rrraaa' and tears her head off?
I suppose the one recurring theme that runs through all ALIENS movies is that "bioweapons will blow-back on you". Bioweapons Blowback is the two-word term that sums up the entire franchise most succinctly.
Vickers, as a character, was utterly wasted, and I never really got David's motivation. (I could parse one out, but I just wanted a hint more logic.)
I was thinking just yesterday, "Why did we have a whole sequence with her escaping the about-to-kamikaze Prometheus, just to kill her off two minutes later? Why not just have her not make it off the ship in time? She had no reason to be there in the next scene."
Then I thought, "Hang on -- why was she even in the movie? She barely did anything!"
They could've cut Vickers and had David do the few plot-related things she did. How creepy would it have been to have David be the guy with the flamethrower, dispassionately murdering Holloway just because it's protocol? Make it clearer that they're all variables in some calculation, and when they're no longer useful to the equation, he'll have no qualms removing them from it.
Vickers is one of the most bizarre characters. We get these scenes early on where she's all "cold calculating corporate woman" who doesn't care about the lives of her crew, but later on she sleeps with the captain like it ain't no thing.
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The bar has been set so low that just mentioning 'x' in passing is enough to qualify as 'the movie is about x'. Just mentioning searching for God doesn't mean your movie 'is about the search for God'. Mentioning the myth of Prometheus doesn't mean that's what it's about.
If I could summarize what's wrong with Prometheus in one phrase, it's "biting off more than it can chew".
They could've cut Vickers and had David do the few plot-related things she did. How creepy would it have been to have David be the guy with the flamethrower, dispassionately murdering Holloway just because it's protocol? Make it clearer that they're all variables in some calculation, and when they're no longer useful to the equation, he'll have no qualms removing them from it.
That's brilliant. After all, David is the one that saves Holloway and Shaw when they get caught in the storm, so to see him torch Holloway in order to pursue the exact same goal of "protect the crew so they can continue the mission". But it would also show that David is willing to clean up after himself (although why he infected Holloway is, uh… missing), and give Shaw and David more conflict, because they're the main characters.
Yeesh.
I mean, ultimately, I'm reminded of Pixar's storytelling rules: combine characters. Vickers felt like one or two character ideas trying to pass as a whole character.
Dorkman wrote:They could've cut Vickers and had David do the few plot-related things she did. How creepy would it have been to have David be the guy with the flamethrower, dispassionately murdering Holloway just because it's protocol? Make it clearer that they're all variables in some calculation, and when they're no longer useful to the equation, he'll have no qualms removing them from it.
That's brilliant. After all, David is the one that saves Holloway and Shaw when they get caught in the storm, so to see him torch Holloway in order to pursue the exact same goal of "protect the crew so they can continue the mission". But it would also show that David is willing to clean up after himself (although why he infected Holloway is, uh… missing), and give Shaw and David more conflict, because they're the main characters.
Combining Vickers and David is great analysis and improvement. On the other hand, the 'geologist' sounded like he was two characters that had already been crudely consolidated into one i.e. the obligatory douchebag mercenary toughguy weapons specialist, and a scientist Hudson-like coward. Did he handle weapons? Did he examine rocks? Would a scientist act so uninterestedly to the first encounter with an alien body?
The screenplay desperately needed a major re-write, not just a polish. That's the type of script one expects for a Roger Corman B-movie and the mismatch between a half-baked screenplay and A-list production values is what everyone is complaining about.
any way to get ahold of the Prometheus script? It appears that the studios have sent out a lot of cease and desist letters to websites hosting scripts... This is sad from an educational standpoint, at least a little...
Is there anything more frustrating than trying to have a conversation with Prometheus fanboys? They are completely convinced that the movie is brilliant if you bother to "look deeper" into it.
Is there anything more frustrating than trying to have a conversation with Prometheus fanboys? They are completely convinced that the movie is brilliant if you bother to "look deeper" into it.
They assume it's some sort of sci-fi 'Mulholland Drive' that's supposed to be mysterious and leave questions unanswered. If only that was the worst of its sins. Haven't they seen LOST?
It must be a sign of insecurity to assume the movie is smarter than you, rather than they just didn't know what they were doing. The dazzling production values (like Inception) give the illusion that its very sophisticated, and a sprinkling of references to 'deep topics' is sufficient to pass for profundity.
They assume it's some sort of sci-fi 'Mulholland Drive' that's supposed to be mysterious and leave questions unanswered. If only that was the worst of its sins. Haven't they seen LOST?
It must be a sign of insecurity to assume the movie is smarter than you, rather than they just didn't know what they were doing. The dazzling production values (like Inception) give the illusion that its very sophisticated, and a sprinkling of references to 'deep topics' is sufficient to pass for profundity.
Laying aside Prometheus's various problems (which left me merely disappointed, instead of angry) and focusing on this, it's no bad thing for a film to ask questions it doesn't answer in order to make you think. It is a bad thing when the film doesn't answer any, especially the central question that motivates the plot—who made us and why?
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