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3 (edited by bullet3 2015-05-12 19:10:55)

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GH4 is a fucking great camera at that price point, Panasonic respects its customers, and it's going to be even better when log-color gets added later this year in a firmware patch. I've used it for a year and I'm in love with this camera.

As for MFT, I use mostly Canon glass with a speed-booster, and it's worked great

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As stated, I did own a GH4.
4K is nothing more than resolution, but the lack of moire is a good pro for that camera.
The footage is 8-bit, though, which doesn't appeal more to me than a 6D. Same compression, different name.

Sam: I'll agree that Canon isn't where it's at in the prosumer price range. With the addition of Magic Lantern, yes, but then it really needs to be a 5D3 in order to get 1080p. The Traveler part 2 was shot using a combination of 5D/6D footage, using raw, but it wasn't shot in 1080p. In order to get continuous shots, we had to use a weird resolution(1728x786, with a 2.2:1 ratio). The reason for this is the pure amount of data that needs to go to the memory card. For instance, the 5D mk 2 maxes out the memory bus speed at 75 mb/s, whereas the 6D uses slower cards in general(SD), and the same resolution is possible, but only for limited bursts, which is why it was B camera when we filmed the short.

The 5D mk3, however, maxes out at about 140 mb/s, so shooting raw isn't a problem at all.
But it's an expensive piece of equipment, especially when you need glass for it as well. You don't get a $3000 camera and then attach $100 glass to it. You just don't.

The BMPCC deal I'm looking at will get me the camera, 4 batteries, a metabones speed booster, a voigtländer 40mm f/2 and a cage. It's going for about $1500, which is a REALLY good price.

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Also, GH4 can record 10 bit color if you pipe it out to an external 4k recorder like the atomos shogun (which doubles as an excellent monitor). The usability (interface, battery-life, ease-of-use, aftermarket support) is tops, and Panasonic is continuing to push updates (like their just-added anamorphic support) that extend the feature-set of the camera. Blackmagic's interface is garbage in my opinion, and it's just not worth the hassle. There's enough things that go wrong on set regularly that I need to at least be able to count on my camera to do what it's supposed to do.

Unless you're trying to step it up and shooting on an Amira or a Red Epic, I think the GH4 is the way to go, and you should spend the extra money on your other gear (lights, lenses, stabilizers, remote follow-focus). Camera is only part of the equation.

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If I'm adding an atomos, I'll be just as well with a 5D2, to be fair.

Again, I've already owned and sold a GH4. Not going to back to Panasonic unless I get a proper video camera, like the HVX200 used to be.

Shooting on a Red Epic would certainly be fun, but having seen a Red One in the flesh, I don't see that ever becoming a reality. Not because the cameras Red make aren't great, but they're simply too big. The way I usually go about things is a tiny crew and a shoestring budget. If I get a proper budget and crew, I'll probably have more than one guy on the camera, and then maybe, maybe using a larger camera like that would be an option.

As of now though, small but good is the way to go.

Sam: Battery life is not an issue. I usually bring a dozen to the set anyway, just in case, along with two chargers. No problems there, really. The slow motion isn't that big of a deal either. As I said, I owned a GH4. Didn't even touch the 96FPS. I'd just as well use an iPhone 6, and shoot 240fps for that one shot I'd need it for.

bullet: I actually didn't like the menu interface of the GH4. I found it confusing and not logically built up. I remember looking for frame rates, and then I had to go back and change the hertz of the damn thing, and to enable stuff like that, I also had to set it to NTS or PAL or whatever. It's not a bad camera, by all means, it just didn't work for me. Major setback, money-wise, but no cigar. I waited for a potential ProRes or raw feature, but whilst I was doing that, the camera just gathered dust.

I know I'm probably sounding like a jerk, looking for advice when I'm already settled, but the truth is; I'm not. I'm on the fence, sure, but I still think I might do stills some times, and that's when I'd need to have my own camera instead of borrowing.

Which is why I pretty much need 3 cameras.

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bullet, how does the GH$ do with long recordings like weddings and lectures?  Does it tend to overheat after a given period of time?

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sorry, meant GH4...

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10 (edited by Tomahawk 2015-05-15 10:29:42)

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Doesn't overheat, but stops recording at 30 minutes. It has a function to start recording at that instant, but I'd recommend not using it at a wedding, as that missed second can be quite crucial.

EDIT:

I'm also planning to make a more elaborate thread about cameras in here, to help more people figure out their perfect configuration, and to get insight from all of you, so stay tuned. It's also going to work as reseach for another article tongue

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I can hit record on my gh2 walk away for 2 hours and when I come back its still chugging away. So not sure why yours had a 30 minute limit Tom. I know a lot of the canons have that.

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Canons max out at 12 minutes, because of Fat32.

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I think the GH4 has a hard 30 min limit, but maybe I'm wrong. But if you're recording at 4K, I don't think your memory card is going to hold more than 30-45 minutes anyway, so it's a moot point.

Never had overheating problems of any kind with it. I must re-iterate though if you're going for a more filmic aesthetic, you should dial back a lot of the settings, it over-sharpens like crazy on the default settings. That being said, I've been able to get results I'm really happy with by adjusting some of the settings, running it through film-convert, and adding some Gorilla Grain.

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Boter, formerly of TF.N as Boter and DarthArjuna. I like making movies and playing games, in one order or another.

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Yeah I know Canons can go 30 minutes because my b-cam on a massive videography project last year was a Canon, and we had to keep cycling the recoird button every half hour.

As for the Gh3 or 4, I have no idea. I've never used em. But I'm not sure why they would lose continuous recording functionality from the GH2 unless you're in one of the higher res/framerate modes.

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If I recall, the 30 minute limit is due to a European tax law. If it can record over 30 minutes, it's considered a camcorder, and is taxed (higher) as such. Really dumb.

Is anyone out there pushing for a change of that law? I'd love to see it go.

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Well, that doesn't make much sense, but neither does "European tax law", as Europe is 50 individual countries, with 50 individual set of laws.

But that does actually ring a bell.


In other news, I may have decided to just go for the BMPCC, and get a Rebel series camera to take pictures if need be.

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18 (edited by Saniss 2015-05-16 05:52:22)

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Fun fact, Norway isn't IN the EU wink

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20 (edited by Saniss 2015-05-16 09:26:00)

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I know. Doesn't mean EU laws don't exist, they just don't apply to you  tongue

I don't know whether that changes anything to Canon, though. The 30-second limitation seems worldwide.

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Yeah, the EU is screwing things up for all of us on this one.

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Laws still apply.
But yeah, that's just silly.

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Update:
I sold all my schtuff.
I'm now the proud owner of a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera, a Metabones SpeedBooster EF and a Rokinon/Samyang/Bower VDSLR 35mm T/1.5.

I haven't received the SD cards I need to make this baby roar (which is a whopping 95MB/s 64GB), but from what I can see on the monitor, and using a z-finder, this is really right up my alley. the raw image and film range is flat as fuck. I love it.

As for shooting with it, I'll be doing some tests with grading next week, and creating a short the week after that.

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Any updates on this Tom? Was just doing some dreaming and looking into Blackmagics cinema line, and remembered this thread.

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Shoot date was pushed back to the end of the month, so no. If you want some generic raw imagery to play with, let me know, and I'll put some online.

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