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I was amused by the tales of shipping woes. Every other kickstarted I've done has been a pre-order on a book, where the whole point is shipping thousands of items ![]()
Oh, btw, did the Pink Five DVDs ever ship? I know I didn't get mine, so I was just curious. And, Trey, your memory was a bit off as I know I kicked in for the DVD plus every other item, so it wasn't just a DVD-only option ![]()
Love this trend, it removes the middleman and enables people that actually make shit happen to get something worthwhile done.
Like Zach Braff, Spike Lee is using Kickstarter to preserve his artistic vision. Interesting.
I'm not aware of a controversy regarding her use of Kickstarter. As I recall, it was more that after breaking crowdfunding records, and raising over 11 times what she asked for, she put out a call for designers or something and tried to play the "I can't afford to pay, labor of love, do it for the exposure" card. To which the reply was "Amanda, the ENTIRE INTERNET knows that's complete bullshit. You just got over a million dollars in free money. If you want work done, fucking pay for it with the money you raised for that exact purpose."
It's the million dollars. Kickstarter runs on goodwill and she was shown a lot of goodwill, people would like to see some of that returned. This has nothing to do with Kickstarter itself and everything to do with human interaction. It's a question of decency. Was is wrong? Legally, no. Socially, possibly, someone certainly thought so and then the internet happened.
I think some of it can be attributed to the tone and wording on her call out for musicians. Also I wouldn't be surprised if this had been a none-issue had it been a reward, as you suggest, and framed as a privilege instead of a plea.
I think part of it is the difference between a donation and a payment. Every kickstarter I've taken part in, apart from Trey's, I haven't considered a donation. I gave the same money I would have given if I had seen the "reward" on a store shelf. Given that, there is no further contract between me and the creators. I give them money so they can afford a print run of their books, they send me the books. It's over.
If the money is more of a donation, things get nebulous. Amanda Palmer said, from the little I read, that all the kickstarter money was spent on the album, so she was now back in the same position she had been at the start. Given what she had taken in was so much more than what she had said was needed, fans probably just expected that extra money to be plowed back into the music scene (lower concert prices, higher pay for opening acts, etc). Exactly what constitutes getting your money's worth in such a situation becomes more personal.
I think I expected to see Spike Lee hopping on Kickstarter at some point. Back when he had budget problems on his Malcolm X biopic, he asked several black-American celebrities to help get the project to the finish line. Big names like Michael Jordan and Oprah wrote fat checks. They were not investors, and they (the story goes) had no say in anything. All Lee promised them was that if they gave him a donation—i.e., a gift—he'd use that money to finish the film.
Oh god. Well I really should have listened to the first rule of the internet "Never read the comments", because holy shit.
But wow, that is a seriously complicated little thing right there, and it's gonna take me a while to process all that. ![]()
I kickstart the shit out of things on a regular basis. If there was something like Kickstarter, but actually for investing (as in, you get a piece of the pie), I would contribute more.
Oh, man, can you imagine the fun things you'd find on an investment kickstarter site? Goldmines! Perpetual motion machines! David Finch movies! It will have to be set up to allow "knowledgeable" investors to put more money in as time goes by, because those really great inventions are always going through their financing, needing just ONE more infusion of cash before that energy producing black box is ready for serious testing!
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