Topic: Real Steel

I'm putting this in Off Topic since DiF hasn't done an episode on Real Steel...

First of all, I (kinda?) liked the movie and the visuals were very impressive.
However, I'm a little confused about some things...(spoilers to follow)...

Early on it's implied that Atom has some kind emotions, that he shares some kind of connection with Max.
On a thematic level I get it, but he's just a giant hunk of metal. The personification of Atom continues right up until the climax when the ring announcers are saying he must be "programmed with the will to go on".

No other bot is treated this way throughout the film, why would anyone in this world give two shits about these robots? I think this world would've been much more like what was see at the Flesh Fairs in A.I.
Furthermore, the bots in the film (Atom included) are incredibly dumb. They have little to no A.I. all of their actions are performed live by an operator. The character of Tak states that Zues is constantly analyzing the fight and re-writing his code. That's not was we see at all in the film.

Furthermore, HOW is Atom able to survive? He's a Gen2, if you put up a Model T and a current Ferrari in a race, the Model T isn't going to win because it's an outdated & inferior model. For argument's sake, lets say you put My Mother the Car up against the Ferrari, no matter how much she WANTS to win she physically doesn't have the necessary equipment to get the job done.

Controlling Atom via voice commands seems to be a very inefficient way to operate a robot, and why does Hugh Jackman perform the actions he's calling out - even when the robot is clearly in voice activation mode instead of shadow mode? I guess it's supposed to be because he was a boxer and is therefore incapable of saying the word uppercut without performing said action...

What I would've liked to have seen was something like THIS:

Charlie was a human boxer, he was injured & retired. He never fought robots.
Max starts off as the same video game playing punk. They get Atom ...somehow...
Max doesn't know boxing. Charlie doesn't can't work the controls well.
Charlie trains Max, and Max operates the robot because his physical size doesn't matter when he's controlling a robot.

I thought all of the operators in the film were strange. Rednecks & punks and gangsters, they all seem like the kind of people you'd find in any underground fight club -- but this isn't fight club. Someone has to program these things. Someone has to build them & repair them.  In my opinion they participants should've looked more like the types of people you'd see building battle bots. If fact, it's shameful that the crew of Mythbusters were not invited in for a cameo. I'd love to have seen Grant w/ old age makeup playing himself in 20 years.

Okay, rant off, I look forward to discussing this with anyone bored enough to respond big_smile

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Eh. Nothing that bothered you bothered me. And I don't remember the movie thoroughly enough off the top of my head to rebut every point, so I'll just ask: you have a problem with this being a story involving one very special robot and his friends helping him succeed?

He's special. He saved the kid, he's a cool robot. The kid and him and Hugh Jackman make for a team of misfit winners. *shrug*

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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I don't have a problem with Atom being special, that would make the film work. My problem is that Atom isn't special. He's exactly like every other robot. All they ever say is that he has a 'rare' shadow program and that he can 'take hits' (like all the other boxing robots are made out of balsa wood and tissue paper?). It's the fact that they imply he's special with no justification for it. Fuck, if they said, Evangeline Lily's dead dad's soul was in Atom I'd give it to them...

I really wanted to love this movie, and in the end it was just meh. I was definitely better than "rock 'em sock 'em robots: the movie" as I initially figured it would be.

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Him miraculously (he said for the benefit of his point) snagging a kid about to die, out of a sleep mode, under a pile of debris, wasn't special?

*shrug* I liked it. I especially liked that they went through the trouble of showing us two robots before Atom who were supposedly very good getting torn to pieces before we met our lil scrapper.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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I liked it too.

But the plot was a bit like Over the Top smile

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I put this on this morning just to have something playing while I did other things, but I kept finding myself watching it.  I'm not a fight guy; I could care less about boxing, but I really found myself rooting for Atom & co.  Hugh Jackman has a bit of a hero's journey / redemption story which plays out well.  The effects were very well done, much better than say, the robot fighting in Transformers.

I'd say it even deserves consideration for the perfect movie shelf.

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Same here, rented Real Steel last night and really enjoyed it.   Unlike most movies nowadays, it didn't try to impress with the visual effects, it focused on the story and the characters.  I stopped thinking about the fx early on and just watched the movie, and that's a rare thing for me. 

And now I'm doubly glad it got an FX nomination - it'd sure be nice to see more movies that use fx to tell the story, instead of all these movies where they wrap a half-assed story around the FX.

As for how Atom could do the things he did, well... isn't every fight movie about the underdog whose only advantage is that he can take a beating and keep getting up?  I don't think there is another kind of fight movie.   smile

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Teague wrote:

Him miraculously (he said for the benefit of his point) snagging a kid about to die, out of a sleep mode, under a pile of debris, wasn't special?

Atom "did" nothing, he was uncovered by the water flow and the kid just got snagged on the robots arm. There was nothing "miraculous". Heck, the movie even made a *point* about how *non miraculous* the robot was when the kid laughed and said "Dad, you are talking to a ROBOT" and laughed.

That's my interpretation, and I'm actually glad it DIDN'T go the sappy "the robot learned humanity and got a SOUL through a magical short-circuit from a childs tear that crystallized on the motherboard" crap that is going around.

/Z

Last edited by MasterZap (2012-02-10 14:56:20)

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I liked the movie well enough. I didn't care too much about the "moral win" ending, but the movie was alright. I didn't notice any of these points, though, I just thought Atom had a certain sense of awareness that kicked in at certain points. Sure, they could have gone further on it, and made him a proper AI, but then the movie would be going in a completely different direction than it did.

Also, Atom didn't snag Max, it's arm was lying like that all along, and Max simply fell onto it. At least that's how I saw it.

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The kid reminded me of a much, much better child Anakin.

Witness me!

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the kid probably should have been young Anakin

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