Topic: Django Unchained

How is there not a thread about Django?

Maggot and I finally caught this in cinemas - it's firmly entrenched as one of my favourite films of the last 12 months. Saw what you will about Tarantino, but when he brings his A-game, magic happens on screen.

I deeply loved that, as with Inglorious Bastards, he takes a subject which could easily be mired in sullen reflection and makes it darkly funny. His set ups are paid off, the action is frenetic but never confusing, the violence is often hilarious, and his characters are wonderful to spend time with.

While there could have been some tighter editing, and I'm sure an argument could be made that certain sections should be shorter, I never felt the films length. In fact I revelled in the time Tarantino has taken to enjoy the world, characters, and dialogue, and believe cutting more from the film would have lessened my enjoyment of all three.

4.5 out if 5.

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I loved Django. Totally entertaining. I agree that losing Sally Menke meant that certain sequences sag (looking at you, 20-minute "riding to Candyland" scene), but everything's so much fun that it's hard to argue with.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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You know, I think Fred Raskin did a hell of a job, and I think the ride to Candyland sequence was something Quentin would have resisted cutting too much from. It's the first time we see the characters develop from their initial presentation.

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Django becomes a hard-arse, and Dr. Schultz isn't as cold and detached as he'd like to make out he is.

But there are lots of little beats that could have been removed, and I'm glad they weren't.

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Ehh, I dunno, I felt Sally's absence. Just a few certain bits and pieces here and there that felt off to me (I think especially the lead up to right before the ride to candyland). I still think the second half of the film is way shakier than the first (which is outstanding), and think it's one of the weaker Tarantino entries, though still a ton of fun. Will see if my opinion changes when the blu-ray comes out.

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Some general points: Interesting that Waltz got the Oscar again for much the same performance he got his first Oscar for. He's charismatic nonetheless. Weird use of rap songs. Uneven tone. Editing was both disconcerting and a little loose. Tarantino needs an editor that can stand up to his ego. The last act was predictable cliche. Great cinematography. Strong performances, although the females were underwritten this time. Wasn't convinced by Tarantino's cameo as an Australian miner. He probably should resist the temptation to cast himself. When it was violent, it was deliciously over-the-top. All up, another very watchable Tarantino flick.

not long to go now...

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Interesting that Waltz got the Oscar again for much the same performance he got his first Oscar for. He's charismatic nonetheless.

I'm with you on that. He was incredible, but man, it was such a similar role (a completely different character, but handled the same way).

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Weird use of rap songs. Uneven tone. Editing was both disconcerting and a little loose. Tarantino needs an editor that can stand up to his ego. The last act was predictable cliche. Great cinematography. Strong performances, although the females were underwritten this time. Wasn't convinced by Tarantino's cameo as an Australian miner. He probably should resist the temptation to cast himself. When it was violent, it was deliciously over-the-top. All up, another very watchable Tarantino flick.

Hold on, one second...

avatar wrote:

1. Weird use of rap songs.
2. Uneven tone.
3. Editing was both disconcerting and a little loose. Tarantino needs an editor that can stand up to his ego.
4. The last act was predictable cliche.
5. Great cinematography.
6. Strong performances, although the females were underwritten (this time/as usual).
7. Wasn't convinced by Tarantino's cameo (as an Australian miner). He probably should resist the temptation to cast himself.
8. When it was violent, it was deliciously over-the-top.

...yeah, I think you just described every Tarantino movie ever  big_smile

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It's not always easy to get an original version screening in Spain. We dub everything, even documentaries. But I was in luck and I watched it properly. It's a great film, except the editing, which made me think Tarantino is getting closer and closer to his dream of just shooting his novel-length scripts. I must admit, however, that the ending made me forget all about that and I enjoyed it thoroughly.

However, my experience was weird. There was a rare sense of cultural disconnect. Most Europeans roughly know the infamous history of American slavery, but that's not really the point: in most reviews, half of it was about the portrayal of slavery or even more so the use of the "n" word.

The thing is, that didn't happen here. We have our own euphemisms and troubles, obviously, as everyone else. But the black population here is very recent and a very tiny minority —something like 1%. So we call black people "black", which confuses some English speakers since our word for "black" is "negro." And yeah, "nigger" does ultimately from the Latin "niger," which just means "black." However, I get that words carry baggage.

But as I was watching Django, with everyone taking it as the usual Tarantino "light-hearted but dark" movie, I thought about the black people I heard from who were surprised that they were uncomfortable with the laughs coming from the mostly white audience, and the white people who simply felt guilty about enjoying it too much.

My point is: that 'risqué' element was utterly gone with the distant and distinct Spanish cultural context. Of course, the Tarantino craziness was still there. But the feeling of breaking social taboos (for good or ill), of uncomfortable laughter, was simply missing.

Everything in screen was the same thing. In the comedy bits, my friends laughed. I laughed. And that's fine. But we laughed uncomplicatedly, comfortable in our seats. And for a guy who is so ingrained into American culture because I read and watch everything in English, that was really weird. I experienced cultural disconnect in my own head, which just shouldn't happen. I don't think Westerners make enough allowances for our cultural differences, really. That day, especially after watching the film and thinking about it, I was acutely aware of them.

In a way, the fact that the "n" word didn't get gasps here may be pretty crucial to how it has been received. I'm pretty sure they just dubbed every "nigger" with "negro" —which not only means literally "black" but it is the social equivalent of "black" or "African American" in the US. I don't really think we have a cultural equivalent that transmits the same emotion to modern audiences. That fact might've made the film more palatable around these parts, but I'm pretty sure it's also made it a less relevant film here.

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I just enjoyed the hell out of that post. Fascinating.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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There doesn't seem to be a lot of people here for whom English is not at least one of their native languages, so I figured it'd be an interesting and unique story to share wink

Also, although I may speak Basque, Spanish, English and some Russian, my Internet life is pretty much 100% in English, so I soaked in a lot of the anglo-american culture. That by itself gives some unique perspectives to some things, and this one was one of them.

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