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I disagree with Brian about everything.

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Worth mentioning for the rest of eternity that Gregory posted that before the episode went live.

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4 (edited by Matt Vayda 2010-04-19 20:06:19)

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I think you're the greatest, Greg.

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Alright, well i think you guys have officially ruined Star Trek for me, but not in that happy "Yah I know more about movies!" kind of way. But more in the I can't see this movie without hearing voices bickering in my head locked in an eternal state of argument of the hardcore classic Trekkie and the new modern audience. Where neither will give ground and neither makes any progress. And all you get is an eternal loop of bickering voices in my head.

Sorry guys, but that's a lot of what I heard for most of this. And after a while it just came down to Brian = extremist religious leader preaching the word of the almighty book of Classic Trek and everyone else is the rest of the world going, "You do realize this is kinda bullshit right?"

(Sorry to use the religious metaphor, but it was really the way I kinda came to see this dynamic as the commentary played out.)

I still don't know what to think of the commentary, it's gonna take a bit to digest, but having just finished it... that's my gut reaction.

On the topic of the actual movie; the insanely epic post a while back about everything wrong with Star Trek (2009) did not manage to dissuade my opinion of it, and I don't think you guys did either. I still love the fuck outta this movie, and yes I get it's not perfect, but then I go it's fukin Star Trek and I'm cool with it. I'd much rather have this than everyone wandering around for hours on end explaining the intricacies of red matter to me in a completely fictional techno babble that really has no impact on the story whatsoever and which means absolutely nothing to me. TNG gave us that, and well, that's why I don't watch TNG. Give me some character growth any day.

So in short.... Brian... you're wrong.

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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I loved this movie. Ryan, too. So, you know. It's just Brian. smile

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8 (edited by Trey 2010-04-19 23:03:52)

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In retrospect I regret my decision to let you guys do New Trek without me.   Nah, go ahead I said, have fun.   Now after listening to the end result I wanna write a rebuttal so huge it feels like I'm gonna give birth.   

But I got work to do, so I will just have to keep my legs crossed and try to breathe deeply.

Short version, of course Brian's wrong.  I just wish I'd been there to explain how wrong.    For starters GAAAHHHH CONTRACTIONS  SOMEBODY GET ME AN EPIDURAL

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If it's any consolation, I'm right there with you Trey. I literally felt myself wanting to scream at my computer every five seconds..it was aaaaaaagonizing.

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I'm downloading the comm now, but I'm actually dreading listening to this. I'm a fan of the old Trek movies and this new one. (just got II, II and IV on Blu yesterday actually big_smile)

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Things that stayed in my head after this film.

- They blew stuff up in space and it looked awesome
- Setdesign - fail

Barcode Scanners on the navigation console. Why?
I'm considering watching it again just to count how often they show them - but the pain....

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Four friends in your head … who sound like they're about ready to punch each other.

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Three friends in your head…

…and one guy that you want to punch.

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Holy shit, really guys?

This movie makes NO SENSE. Things just happen because they need to happen.

And that just happens to piss me off more than usual.

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I've grown up around Star Trek.  My dad is a fan.  The names "Kirk" and "Spock" and "Picard" have been a part of my worldview for as long as I can remember.

I'm don't know that I'd call myself a Star Trek fan- I'm a Star Wars guy through and through (and like Teague I can trace that all the way back to Star Tours).  I've SEEN plenty of Star Trek, but it's never grabbed me viscerally.  It appealed to my imagination and sense of adventure.

JJ's Star Trek GRABBED my imagination and sense of adventure.  I saw this movie and just gaped at the screen the entire time.  It was not unlike the difference between reading about the battle for Gondor and actually SEEING it come to life in front of me.  They managed to capture EVERYTHING I ever enjoyed about Trek- Kirk's swagger, Spock's well intentioned dickery, the "we might all die right now if we don't come up with something fucking BRILLIANT in the next 8 seconds" scenarios- but made it so much more real to me.  The original Trek made me root for Kirk.  This Trek made me want to fucking join Starfleet tomorrow.

Brian is FROTHING right now at what I've said, but it's how I feel.  I've never come out of a Trek episode or movie and gone "I want a 24 hour feed of that universe fed into my brain from here on out, or at least 2 hours of it every six months."  JJ's Trek did that for me.  And it's not the lens flares and it's not the explosions, and it's not even Simon Pegg.  It's just that it took the emotions that Trek used to tickle in me and FLUNG them at me nonstop from bell to bell.

I fucking love this movie.  I have no shame in this being "my" Star Trek.

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I understand Brian's logic...to a point.  I am in no way going to engage anyone on the science of original Trek to JJ Trek because its pointless and I frankly don't give a shit.  More broadly, I would just say, look at the name.

Star TREK.  The emphasis was always on the TREK to me, not the Star.  At the end of the day what worked for me about TOS and TNG was the characters as they both TREK through space and TREK on their own path in life.  I feel JJ got that very well with the primary three characters of Kirk, Spock and Bones.  Yes, TOS tackled a lot of bold social issues and brought science to the forefront of a weekly television show.  That's awesome.  But it's not the reason I loved Trek before and its not thereason I love it now.  I love the characters, I love their journeys.  I love the sense of exploration and adventure. 

Were there a few clunky plot devices?  Sure.  But like a lot of movies, I'm willing to move beyond that if the film as a whole works for me, and this one does.  I would go on to say that JJ understands whats great about Trek better than anyone since Ronald Moore, and certainly better than it had been handled in the last 10 years or so.

Eddie Doty

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I read something this morning that sparked something I had forgotten about til now.

I find it interesting that the so called 'hard-core" fans (Ala, Brian) are so incredibly against this film because of well...all the the reasons Brian handily pointed out. Yet in every single interview Mr. Nimoy has ever had, not to mention the fact that he agreed to be in the fucking thing, he praises Abrahm's Star Trek as a reviving of the franchise. Now personally I hold a lot of respect for Mr. Nimoy as an artist and as a person, so I find it highly unlikely that he is simply saying this as a measure of Hollywood politics or bullshit like that, I think he genuinely means it.

I'm not sure exactly what to make of it, but I find it interesting that one of the original cast members and someone who has seen and had a large part in the formation of this franchise, seems to like the movie, yet the fanboys can't seem to get to get it together.

ZangrethorDigital.ca

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Okay, I know plenty of fanboys, like my friend Ryan Schile who do like it a lot, for whatever reason. So that's the first hole in your premise.

Secondly, you're basically making an appeal to authority. "Well, Spock likes it so why don't you?" And as much as I respect the character of Spock and Leonard Nimoy as an artist, that doesn't mean I'm always going to agree with either of them.

Further, we don't know what Nimoy's specific feelings about the story are. Whatever it is, I'm sure his opinion is more complicated than a thumbs up or thumbs down.

19 (edited by Brian 2010-04-20 11:11:51)

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Still not up on iTunes yet.

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Not sure what's up, let me kick it.

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I don't want to steal Trey's thunderbirth, but at some point he's going to come in and tell Brian that this new Trek is way, way, way more like the original series than even TNG was.

I just put that in here because it seems like a good point to mention it. (IE, before we go off on this for five posts.)

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Well I will steal Trey's thunderbirth and say right now that I know "Star Trek" started as straight pop adventure serials. But it became more and has the potential (like everything else) to be both fun AND smart at the same time.

And this new movie doesn't even make sense, let alone achieve the high bar of being a "smart" film.

Sorry, Trey.

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