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Is there any Cronenberg worth DiFing?
Jason X ?!
Last edited by Fido (2012-09-23 16:43:18)
I would have said Nightbreed but then we wouldn't had that gif of Jason beating one camper with another
Last edited by Jimmy B (2012-09-23 17:02:22)
I bolded the movies from Dorkman's list that I'd suggest, and added a little reasoning for suggesting them.
I'll toss out a few just to gauge interest -- might be quite a few we don't have much to say about but all worth considering:
HALLOWEEN
A bit obvious, but such a fantastically well-made and influential movie that you'd definitely have plenty to talk about. The only problem I could see is saying something new about a movie as over-discussed as Halloween.
TRICK 'R' TREAT
Opens up opportunities to talk about: anthology films in general, The EC comics style and other things influenced by it (Creepshow, Tales from the Crypt), the 80s revival trend, how this movies differs from the horror mainstream and an opportunity to bemoan how/why this got delayed and dumped direct-to-VOD while remakes and found footage movies get wide release, Sam as a potential modern horror icon (and whether we still have those, and if you can intentionally create an icon), the ancient traditions of Samhain that led to Halloween - and if that isn't enough to talk about Trick'R'Treat has a complex overlapping structure so just mapping that out for the audience would actually be fairly insightful. So what I'm saying is yes, I'd love to hear a DiF commentary on Trick'R'Treat.
THE EXORCIST
Great Movie (capital G, capital M) - almost duty bound as film types to do this one
ROSEMARY'S BABY
God I love this movie. This is like the prototype for everything that scares me in movies. Also a Great Movie. Potentially could run out of stuff to talk about since it takes its time and works subtly. How many times can you say "She's really paranoid here"?
BEETLEJUICE
I'm assuming this would be a Princess Bride style lovefest. I'm perfectly ok with that. I also would look forward to the inevitable "saying Beetlejuice three times" joke in the intro.
PRINCE OF DARKNESS
Another one that scares me beyond all reason. Plus, it's classic-era Carpenter. Opportunities here to talk about Carpenter in general, the actual science behind the pseudoscience here, philosophical and religious stuff, and to try to figure out what the fuck is going on. Not sure if that's enough for a commentary but I'd listen the hell out of it.
POLTERGEIST
You can't see me, but I'm Spielberging hard at the thought of a Poltergeist commentary.
NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET
FRIDAY THE 13TH
Gotta talk about 80s slashers at some point. I suppose this one would depend on if any of you are passionate enough about them to get into discussions of the entire series, otherwise I'm not sure there's enough here for a commentary on any one movie.
SAW
If you've seen all of these you could make a fascinating comparison between this modern yearly horror franchise and the 80s slasher franchises it's sort of replaced.
AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON
THE HOWLING
This seems like an interesting discussion to have, comparing these two 80s takes on the werewolf - but that's more of a non-commentary episode topic.
PSYCHO
I'm a fan of fcw's Psycho/Psycho 2 comparison idea, if only because Psycho 2 is vastly underrated.
BODY SNATCHERS '93
Gotta complete the series - may as well suffer through Invasion with Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig while you're at it.
Consider my interest gauged.
And since fcw is right that Halloween is as much for the kids as it is for the scary, maybe some kids-accessible movies or nostalgic movies would be interesting? The Gate is fantastic and not enough people know of it. You've also got Halloweentown, Halloween Tree, Disney's The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, Monster Squad, ParaNorman, Corpse Bride (what went wrong here that went so right in Nightmare Before Christmas?), Wallace and Gromit: Curse of the Were-Rabbit, Coraline, The Addams Family/The Addams Family Values, Monster House (Dan Harmon and Rob Scrab, hooray for Community nerds!), The Goonies, The Lost Boys, and Labyrinth
It seems I've accidentally suggested enough movies for a few decades' worth of Octobers. At some point I stopped even trying to give reasons. I think I just like listing movie titles.
HALLOWEEN
A bit obvious, but such a fantastically well-made
Iiiiiiiiiiiiiii'm gonna stop you right there. Say what? I saw Halloween for the first time last year, and I was blown away by how awful it was.
Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?
Maybe an Intermission on the horror genre in general too?
HALLOWEEN
A bit obvious, but such a fantastically well-madeIiiiiiiiiiiiiii'm gonna stop you right there. Say what? I saw Halloween for the first time last year, and I was blown away by how awful it was.
Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?
That's because you have very little taste in movies and are only 12 year old.
Just kidding. Halloween is a well made movie, it's tense, scary and unpredictable at times, it's a masterpiece of horror film-making.......although it has been ruined somewhat by movies made since as well as its own remake and the sequel to that. I can fully understand why someone who wasn't around at the time or who didn't grow up with it doesn't like it. I know you're not a horror fan, but at least you've seen enough to know that by 'today's standards' Halloween isn't 'scary'. I hope you will appreciate, though, the impact it had on viewers back in the day when we didn't have all that torture porn nonsense. a found footage film released once a month
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HALLOWEEN
A bit obvious, but such a fantastically well-madeIiiiiiiiiiiiiii'm gonna stop you right there. Say what? I saw Halloween for the first time last year, and I was blown away by how awful it was.
Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?
Ya, this is the rare movie I totally agree with Teague on, it REALLLLY does not hold up in the modern context, unlike something like Psycho. Acting is pretty shit, there's barely anything going on, ya it set the standard for the genre, but viewed outside of a historical context, I don't get it. And this is as a huge Carpenter fan.
That one would actually really be worth doing if one of the DIF guys is willing to defend it.
Same with Prince of Darkness, I don't get that movie at all, and have a feeling Teague would hate it, but if Brian or Trey can explain what the hell it's about, that would be an interesting commentary.
If Teague and Michael have opposing views on halloween, then I say do that one. Adversarial commentaries are fun to listen to sometimes.
Would you guys ever consider the texas chainsaw massacre? If so, which would you be more inclined to do? The original or the remake?
Please don't do the fucking remake, original or go home
Ah, now I'm going to be an Opposing Olly and say I don't like the original Texas Chain Saw Massacre. That is one film I never got the appeal of
(but, yeah, it's still better than the remake)
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I would love to see a Lovecraftian themed movie but sadly there aren't many and the good ones are very few, I kind of remember Necronomicon: Book of Dead (1993) it was an anthology that I liked at the time but then again there's the fog of teenage unreliable memory and it may not be as good as I remember.
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HALLOWEEN
A bit obvious, but such a fantastically well-madeIiiiiiiiiiiiiii'm gonna stop you right there. Say what? I saw Halloween for the first time last year, and I was blown away by how awful it was.
Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?
Diff'rent Strokes for different folks, I guess. But I'm sure if you guys DiF it you'll get an earful.
If I had a movie discussion podcast I'd go through it shot-by-shot, explaining how each one builds tension with extreme economy, how the script makes the interesting and influential decision to have Michael be pure, unexplainable evil rather than a simple murderer while effectively riding the line between plausible and fully supernatural - Freddy turning into a phone isn't scary, but Michael Myers getting stabbed, shot, falling out of a window, then disappearing is - and actually fleshes out the characters on a human level (Laurie is responsible, but that isolates her. She's conflicted about being a prude vs going out with whatshisface. She's stuck babysitting, but she's good with the kids and even seems to take solace in retreating to something safe that she's good at instead of risking embarrassment by going out - okay, the other characters aren't nearly as well defined but this is Laurie's story so that shouldn't matter much, and we do get the flavor of small town family life in scenes with the parents/cops.), etc... But then, I don't have a movie discussion podcast and all this stuff has been said a million times before and way better than I can say it here. You can even buy books on the subject ( http://goo.gl/TuONJ , http://goo.gl/qCdKP , http://goo.gl/VXcoa )
I think you could be misreading the fact that Halloween was made in the 70s on a low budget and isn't production designed, color timed, and retouched within an inch of its life like basically all modern movies as poor quality.
Of course the fact that every single beat of the movie has been ripped off so many times that it's nearly reached the level of ritual performance (as Cabin in the Woods made its thing) probably doesn't help a first-time viewer in 2012, but I first saw Halloween in 2011 and was completely engrossed. In fact it was one of the films in a class I was taking at the time, so I had to rewatch it in that class less than a week later and it pulled me in again. (For some reason, I never checked the schedule to see what we were watching so - like an idiot - I'd watched it independently without realizing that we'd be forced to watch it later. I did the same thing with Rosemary's Baby the next week.)
I guess ultimately I don't need to tell you why Halloween is good, the world at large does that already and you can find those arguments elsewhere. Since you're the one with the minority opinion it probably falls to you to explain it:
Why you don't like this masterpiece and all-around beloved horror classic, Teague?
Ah, now I'm going to be an Opposing Olly and say I don't like the original Texas Chain Saw Massacre. That is one film I never got the appeal of
(but, yeah, it's still better than the remake)
Well, if we're playing "Which 70s Horror Classic Do We Hate?" I have to mention that Last House on the Left is just unbelievably shit.
MiltonDz wrote:
I would love to see a Lovecraftian themed movie but sadly there aren't many and the good ones are very few
It might not be based on any Lovecraft story, but Prince of Darkness is probably the closest thing there is to a competently made Lovecraftian movie.
Well, if we're playing "Which 70s Horror Classic Do We Hate?" I have to mention that Last House on the Left is just unbelievably shit.
Aww hells, yes!
It might not be based on any Lovecraft story, but Prince of Darkness is probably the closest thing there is to a competently made Lovecraftian movie.
I would have said In The Mouth Of Madness more so as it actually pays tribute to Lovecraft. And it's a very underrated film, in my opinion. I'd also say it's the last great film Carpenter made.
dodgson wrote:It might not be based on any Lovecraft story, but Prince of Darkness is probably the closest thing there is to a competently made Lovecraftian movie.
I would have said In The Mouth Of Madness more so as it actually pays tribute to Lovecraft. And it's a very underrated film, in my opinion. I'd also say it's the last great film Carpenter made.
Ah, haven't seen In the Mouth of Madness. In that case, good point and this is going to the top of my queue.
Oh, right. It's basically just one long homage to Lovecraft. Hope you enjoy it when you get to see it
Ya, In the Mouth of Madness is awesome, especially the totally badass opening theme:
I disagree about it being the last great Carpenter film though. I love the hell out of Escape from LA, and Vampires is pretty damn good too (slow middle act not-withstanding). Ghosts of Mars is not a good movie, but even that has some fun parts (and Jason Statham gets decapitated).
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I'll re-phrase, it's the last film Carpenter made that I personally think is great.
Although Vampires has its moments, I really don't like Escape From LA.
Last edited by Jimmy B (2012-09-23 22:44:17)
Ah, now I'm going to be an Opposing Olly and say I don't like the original Texas Chain Saw Massacre. That is one film I never got the appeal of
(but, yeah, it's still better than the remake)
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre is scary as hell.
I can't think of another horror film where the music and sound effects are so disturbing...
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I've never found it scary, disturbing yes, but not scary. I don't find The Exorcist scary either.
I've never found it scary, disturbing yes, but not scary.
That's interesting. What would you say the difference is between scary and disturbing? And what would you consider a 'scary' movie?
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre has unsettling moments but none of it made me jump or look through my fingers. The dinner party scene made me feel uncomfortable but I wasn't scared.
To be honest I don't really find many films scary these days. When I was a kid I found almost everything scary, mabve if I saw it when I was younger I'd feel differently.
Okay, I'm going to throw this out here once and walk away, Freddy vs Jason.
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