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Like all of them? Maybe?
I mean...god damn.
Hey, look, context:
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/18706/
Oh, look, that didn't actually change anything.
And I'm surprised...?
No, actually not. Like I said before, I just prefer to have all the information. I usually don't discuss politics on the Internet because a) I sometimes come across as a dick and b) it isn't actually a discussion. Discussion implies an exchange of ideas and a debate about the merit of those ideas.
Politics is not that way any more. Last week in Texas, the Supreme Court rulings, and other things that show that discussion and dissent are not allowed. Only proselytizing.
When he calls people 'pro-abortion' he is sort of missing the point, though......
Yeah, I hate when people frame the debate as "pro-life" vs. "pro-death." I don't like abortion, but I don't think that the government has the right to regulate what women do with their bodies.
I don't like abortion, but I don't think that the government has the right to regulate what women do with their bodies.
Or anyone else for that matter.
Yeah, I hate when people frame the debate as "pro-life" vs. "pro-death." I don't like abortion, but I don't think that the government has the right to regulate what women do with their bodies.
Yeah, he is saying people are 'pro-abortion' meaning they are all for abortion, they like abortion. That is not what people who are pro-choice are, they are not monsters. They just think women should do what they want with their own bodies (like you say)
He is being very particular with his wording, making people who are 'pro-choice' out to be worse than they are. Of course he is, he's a politician.
Last edited by Jimmy B (2013-07-02 22:56:27)
Doctor Submarine wrote:I don't like abortion, but I don't think that the government has the right to regulate what women do with their bodies.
Or anyone else for that matter.
Yeah, that's what baffles me about how many modern conservatives bill themselves. "We don't think that the government has the right to interfere in your affairs! Unless you're a woman. Or gay. Or you disagree with us politically."
The argument against abortion has nothing to do with what the woman does to her body. I think everyone is fine with that. The abortion argument ultimately rests on one question:
Is it a person?
Because if it is, then the effects on the woman's body becomes secondary to the death of the other person. And even if we say we're "almost certain" it's not a person, is it worth taking that chance?
Robbing an innocent person of their entire life, no matter the "expected" quality, is much worse than whatever the mother would have to go through. I don't need to be a woman to make that call. Now, I'm not belittling what the mother goes through at all, and of course a lot of the time the pregnancy isn't her fault. But that doesn't justify killing a person.
Hey look! Kitten!
We're not doing this here.
Awwwww, look at the kitty!
Liked!
The argument against abortion has nothing to do with what the woman does to her body. I think everyone is fine with that. The abortion argument ultimately rests on one question:
Is it a person?
Because if it is, then the effects on the woman's body becomes secondary to the death of the other person. And even if we say we're "almost certain" it's not a person, is it worth taking that chance?
Robbing an innocent person of their entire life, no matter the "expected" quality, is much worse than whatever the mother would have to go through. I don't need to be a woman to make that call. Now, I'm not belittling what the mother goes through at all, and of course a lot of the time the pregnancy isn't her fault. But that doesn't justify killing a person.
That's why we have restrictions on how long after conception it's acceptable to have an abortion. And again, I'd love it if every mother who wanted an abortion chose to give the child up for adoption instead. But it's not up to me. It's up to the mother. And it's not my job, nor anyone else's, to legislate what's best for women. A woman has the right to decide what's best for her. And that's why I'm pro-choice.
And anyway, yeah. Kittens!
Okay. So it's up to the mother to decide whether or not it's best to kill her baby. Got it. But it's different once the kid pops out. We do need laws from the state against that, because that's immoral.
Alas. Kittens all around.
Last edited by Sam F (2013-07-03 01:02:17)
Lamer wrote:Doctor Submarine wrote:I don't like abortion, but I don't think that the government has the right to regulate what women do with their bodies.
Or anyone else for that matter.
Yeah, that's what baffles me about how many modern conservatives bill themselves. "We don't think that the government has the right to interfere in your affairs! Unless you're a woman. Or gay. Or you disagree with us politically."
Actually, I've noticed that with many political movements, regardless of affiliation. It is very frustrating to me.
Oh, well. It doesn't actually affect me so I don't care
Ugh...have some kitties on the house
It doesn't actually affect me
Glad someone finally pointed this out!!!!
-The Person With The Uterus
I see your kitten and raise you to a bunny with ice cream
Last edited by Allison (2013-07-03 04:11:05)
fireproof78 wrote:It doesn't actually affect me
Glad someone finally pointed this out!!!!
-The Person With The UterusI see your kitten and raise you to a bunny with ice cream
Hail, hail, the libertarians! Hail, hail, the libertarians
Libertarian superman
(so glad I got to use this)
Allison wrote:fireproof78 wrote:It doesn't actually affect me
Glad someone finally pointed this out!!!!
-The Person With The UterusI see your kitten and raise you to a bunny with ice cream
Hail, hail, the libertarians! Hail, hail, the libertarians
Libertarian superman(so glad I got to use this)
Oh god, the kittens aren't working anymore, we need something stronger!!!
Happy hamster! BAM!
Baby lynx! Wapow!
Surfing duck! ZAP!
<panting> I...think...we're....safe...for...now.
My brain feels funny.
My brain feels funny.
I'd watch that movie
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