Topic: Photoshop Help?

There's a whole long back story, which I'd be happy to get into later, but right now...I just want to ask my question. I know there are those on this forum with vastly more photoshop talent than I, so I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me out.

Does anyone know a way in which to convert a photo into something that resembles a painting or drawn artwork in photoshop (CS4)? The idea is basically to convert a photo of some people in costume into characters that I can cut/paste onto backgrounds for a comic.

Keep in mind it doesn't have to look "amazing" or "perfect" by any stretch. I've yet to see anything that really "works" beyond painting over the entire photo from scratch, but as I don't have a tablet and my mouse is spotty, I'd like to keep the brushwork to minimum. I know some will certainly be necessary, but I'm willing to sacrifice some quality on this point.  I'm basically looking for "passable"...but most tutorials I've found online consist of one of two options:

1) Full re-painting of the entire image from scratch using the photo as a go by, or
2) Some combination of filters

The problem is that 1 simply isn't possible my current hardware and/or talent level, and 2 generally looks like total crap. I'm hoping that someone here can find me a balance of some subtle filter work, with some brush work where needed, to get me something that can at least "not offensive" to look at.

So...help?

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Can you dig up a piece of reference that is the sort of artwork you're trying to emulate?

Teague Chrystie

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Quick Answer: Basically: Batman-style & Color is the bar. Beyond that, I'm flexible.

Long Answer:
It's a Batman/Spawn crossover -- so basically anything that falls in the range for either of those characters. Batman obviously provides more range, as there's been lots of interpretation over the years. Spawn is both more limited in style, but also uber detailed, so I would think it would be more Batman based.

I did start a Tumblr way back in the day to collect artwork for the project: http://hellknightproject.tumblr.com/

So that could be used for inspiration, obviously.

My thinking was that the process of using a photo & the limiting factors of what I can do in Photoshop that would be the determining factor on the final product more than a particular type of artwork I'd want to hit. An example would be Lee Bermejo...I love his take on Batman, but I can't fathom there's any way I could take a picture of some guy in Batman Cosplay and make it look like Batman: Noel.

If that's not a safe assumption -- I can post a few pics from the tumblr that I like. Thoughts?

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Lemme take a swing at it real quick and see what I can come up with that's more or less intermediate in terms of PS skill, but looks alright.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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@Squiggly

Huh...I would like color, but that color does look like a comic -- which is more than what I can say for pretty much every tutorial I've attempted so far.

I would like it to be a bit more "painterly", and I am willing to explore plug-ins, even ones I'd have to buy. My computer is having issues with plug-ings, but that's something that I can work out of the final product clears the bar. And I'm totally ok with people knowing it's a processed photo, as long as it doesn't look so bad it's a turnoff. So far every attempt I've done is jarringly bad -- so much so that it'd be difficult to even read it, much less get invested in the story.

I think photoshop comes with an 'artistic' filter and I believe the 'watercolor' setting is the most convincing of that. You'll probably have better luck with that sort of effect if you apply some other filter first to limit the color pallet or simplify the image. Solarize (so long as you keep the original colors) and heavy noise reduction (to destroy as much of the fine detail as possible and simplify the structure) would be my first attempts. I could give it a shot myself to try some stuff out. I'm not a photoshop genius, tho. Anyway, from that point, just paint in any fine detail that you actually want that got destroyed in that process, and then art-filter it. Reducing the image to just the core structures will probably go a long way to help selling the art filter...

I'll have to put in a little time on some of these suggestions to see if I can produce something workable...

If y'all want to give it a try, you could probably just grab a batman cosplay photo off Google and give it a go. I would understand not investing a ton of time, but the hope is to figure out a process that isn't overly time consuming anyways (I'll have several hundred images to do in the end).

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Interesting...Fotosketcher looks like a decent start. I'd like to retain more detail in the faces, but the rest does look better than many of the filter combos I've tried. I'll add it to the list of things to play with.

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Here's my second attempt. (When I do full-on Struzan emulations, there's no filters involved, it's just powering my way through a delicate painting process. This is just filters, for the most part.)

I screen-recorded the entire process on this one, if you like the look I can throw the video online so you can steal the tricks you like.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8853/batmansketch1.gif

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o251/maul2/BBQ-psdtest1_zpsa6ba9494.png

All I did to get from Squiggy's 2nd pic to this was:

Duplicate the original image over top. Run a Find Edges. Desaturate. Mess with the curves until you manage to get rid of most of the useless lines and darken the outline edges. Multiply it over top.

Obviously you would need to do a bit of hand work to clean up some of the lines, especially in the face...gods that can get creepy in there. But it'll get you 90% of the way there, and brings in a lot of the major inking lines that you're looking for. You you might be able to find a better way to do the face and just bring that in on another layer, depends on what you can find. This is just my first spitball idea that I knocked up in about a minute and a half.

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@Teague

If it's not too much trouble, I'd love to see the video. I'm intellectually curious, so I generally fall into the "more info the better" category. That conversion definitely looks like comic art, which is awesome.

Yeah, I knew the Struzan emulations were labor intensive paint-jobs. They look great, but a bit much for what I'm looking for.

@BigDamnArtist

You're right...those faces creep me the hell out! But the outlining does bring out some inking lines that I might otherwise have to do myself with a brush.

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Thanks all, for the help so far! Please keep it coming if you have any other ideas!

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I was curious because I use GIMP rather than Photoshop but I tinkered with a couple of filters, nothing heavy. Not sure if it is the desired effect, but I am hoping it helps smile
Original:
http://ll-media.extratv.com/archive/images/news/0407/captain.jpg
Filters applied:
http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s671/Erich_Longpre/cartoon-test_zpsdd237370.jpg

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If you're going for a subtle effect, putting on heavy Topaz filters is a good place to start.

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@fireproof: I like the way the colors flattened out in that, but the black everywhere looks very "blah" to me. That's one of the issues I ran into with filter-only photoshop conversions as well. What I find interesting is that the more I look at the original image from Capt. America, the more I think that image looks pretty "comic book" on it's own. Never realized that. Good on the DP.

@Allison: I'm not familiar with "Topaz" filters/effects...so I'm off to YouTube to learn up!

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What about smoothing it out with levels and then add filter (film grain) and end with a bit of color halftones (adjust the dots for desired look)?

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@Ash: I'm not sure I know what you mean by "smoothing it out with levels". Whenever I've messed with basic levels adjustments, it changes the brightness, contrast, and WB...but it doesn't mess with the texture of the image all that much. Or am I missing something?

I've tried the film grain & half tones, and it generally came out kind of a mess. Again, could totally be my fault...but I couldn't find the balance of making look like artwork without losing so much detail that it looks nearly abstract.

@Allison: Wow...never heard of Topaz plug-ins before, but those are crazy. I'm thinking I might have to try the 30-day trial, because there certainly seems to be some serious horsepower to those filters. Some look like they'd work really well for what I'm trying to achieve. The cost kind of sucks, so if I can get there some other way, that'd be better -- but I think that barring something else coming up, it might be worth it.

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I don't know I was not in front of a computer with PS on it when I wrote that.

This is just quick and crude

Levels on the original level 30/01/200 - too smooth out the colours.

Filter - Artistic - Film Grain (just used the default, probably can fiddle around a bit with them)
Consider cutout on a separate layer with blend modes (did not do that here)
Duplicate the layer and add the color halftone to that (Filter - Pixelate - Color Halftone)
- Use default settings, maybe a bit lower for max radius
- Change the blending mode (darken works fine, but play around with it and also the opacy of the layer)

Here is the Batman pic from above

http://ashdigital.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Batman_psplay.jpg

It did not quite come out as I saw in my minds eye. Maybe a image with less "scope" and details would work better.
I took this image:
http://api.ning.com/files/Tv7EQ4d5Vl947rG-BzXVRYsP7j7ibktP3QngAyKB4daTU1lqeaFVpR67gSxmDrAWgkssh6sHGrATCNXTT11tZ1ZmAI8sjInX/christianbalebatman.jpg

And did the same thing to it... except the levels were 60/03/200 the with this results.

http://ashdigital.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/christianbalebatman.jpg

So maybe it's not what you had in mind. It worked a lot better in my head than when I threw the filters on the image. I'm guessing spending a few hours on it in stead of five minutes might come up with something useable.

edit:
This one was done with an cutout layer on screen between the main layers.
http://ashdigital.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/batman_cutout.jpg

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I made a series of images long time ago of my friends... is this style something you could use?

http://ashdigital.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/aevar_sc_001.jpg

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BBQ wrote:

@Allison: Wow...never heard of Topaz plug-ins before, but those are crazy. I'm thinking I might have to try the 30-day trial, because there certainly seems to be some serious horsepower to those filters. Some look like they'd work really well for what I'm trying to achieve. The cost kind of sucks, so if I can get there some other way, that'd be better -- but I think that barring something else coming up, it might be worth it.

Use it well, my friend. Great power, great responsibility, etc.

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Topaz is great stuff indeed.

But, in reality, to the original inspiration files linked to; no, there's no quick way. You can cheat it, sure, but it won't look halfway as awesome, I'm afraid. Teague's onto something, though.

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@Ash: Yeah, the first image is what I was normally ending up with. And I generally felt that a comic consisting of that all the way through would have people putting it down without giving it a chance -- it's just too harsh on the eye, to me at least (If you/anyone disagree, feel free to tell me). The latter ones do look better, and I guess if need be I could shoot the photos with that in mind. After the cutout was added, that's not too bad.

The bottom one "series of images" you created looks very good! I'd prefer color, but that certainly looks more like a comic than I've been able to produce using my limited knowledge base.

@Tomahawk: Yeah, I wasn't expecting a 5-min conversion. I've tried enough combinations of filters and tutorials to know that I just can't get something that looks decent without doing more work. I always assumed that some masking and brush work would be needed if I was ever going to get this to work. Even with the Topaz filters, I expect more work is involved than "open, apply filter, save".

I just need to avoid having to paint from scratch, as I don't have the skill or tech to really undertake that. And obviously spending 15 hours on a single image, when I could have 400+ images to convert, is just not the most practical.

I'm willing to sacrifice quality, as that's the trade off for speed/ease -- but my belief was that the users around these parts would be able to help avoid as steep a trade off as I'd have to endure if I tried to figure it out myself. So far, that's certainly been the case...several of these are better than I did just "trying stuff" in photoshop, and I've gotten a handful of other ideas I intend to try later, as well.

If anyone else has done some tests, or has ideas, I'm still listening. Until I settle on a process and actually start the conversions, I'm totally open to changing and refining the process. I still have to shoot all the photos, as well...which is the pre-production phase I'm beginning now. So I do have a while, if y'all want to experiment.

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I'm pretty sure(although not 100%) After Effects has a Cartoon effect. Tried playing with it? You should obviously make sure your footage is over-saturated and tinted first.

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Can I play?

http://lamer.3design.net.pl/batman_ps.jpg

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@Tomahawk: I don't have After Effects...but I'd be curious to see how the "Cartoon" effect works on an image. I obviously will only have stills, though.

@Lamer: Not bad! What process/steps did you use?

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Errr... I wish I remembered. I just played around with the image. Levels -> stamp on one layer and levels -> edges -> equalize on top (I think) with transfer mode set to darken and some color balance.

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I used a sculpture effect on the bottom layer, desaturated, with the original on top at 65% opacity and cranked up the saturation to get some color back. You can soften the faces by selecting them with lots of feathering and then deleting them from the sculpture layer, leaving a soft hole.

http://www.zarban.com/pics/comic-book.jpg

For Cap, I also pulled the curves down on the sculpture layer to bring back contrast.

http://www.zarban.com/pics/comic-book2.jpg

Warning: I'm probably rewriting this post as you read it.

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Inspired by Zarban, and more filter tinkering. This is the Cap image but I eroded it somewhat first, giving a view more lines to work with. I softened it using an oil paint filter then applied the Cartoon filter with less black lines. But, I think Zarban is on to something there.

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s671/Erich_Longpre/cartoon-test2_zps93efa1e3.jpg

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Ok, so I took the image from here, masked it out, and stuck it on some generic "abandoned factory" image, then applied the effect on the entire image. I tried adjusting the size of Batman, just to see how the effect would hold up for wider shots.

I can't take any credit for this...it's all Topaz.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/15ea0f1b066acf6a4013d4eb2acd7830/tumblr_miqr00ZDkM1r6r3iqo1_500.jpg

and

http://24.media.tumblr.com/074d796ea5f580af38f4d78e27182387/tumblr_miqr00ZDkM1r6r3iqo2_1280.jpg

Thoughts? Would anyone here consider this "acceptable" level of artwork while reading a comic? Or would this turn you off from reading it and/or keep you out of the story?

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