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Star Trek fans vote Star Trek Into Darkness the worst in the franchise...

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter … 63317.html

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That's a little harsh!

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That was to be expected. Hardcore Trekkies weren't numerous enough to sustain the franchise, so J.J. decided to turn Star Trek into a series of generic villain-centered action movies for teens while trying to placate geeks with pointless references. It couldn't work. Nerds are obsessive, detail-oriented people (I'd say many of them are borderline autistic) who don't forgive bad science and canon violations. Think of all the outrage concerning Star Wars Special Editions... Geeks don't like revolutionary changes.

It's not just a hipster ("Star Trek was way cooler before it was popular") attitude. Attention to detail is the core of nerd identity. It's who we are. Admit it - we're mutants. We spend hours every day on sites like this one, nitpicking movies to death instead of getting laid. That's not healthy, but we wouldn't have our lives any other way. Mutant and proud! cool

Sure, the movies are engaging... I'll go watch them. I'll even buy the discs (unless they're very expensive). But they don't feel like "my" Star Trek anymore.

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Yeah, this is so harsh to be borderline unbelievable if I had not already experienced the direct hatred of the Star Trek fan base on the official forums.

For my money (and my opinion probably is well known by now) is that Abrams Trek movies are good films and good Star Trek films. While I understand the idea of science is not treated with the same direct hard science of TOS or (somewhat) TNG, there is still elements of Star Trek in there.

Is it perfect? No, not at all. But, Star Trek Phase 2 and New Voyages could be considered "perfect"  by Star Trek purists but the perfection is in the sets, the graphics, the use of older scripts, not in the characters.

I recall reading a creation of Star Trek book (not sure which one) where it shows one of Rodenberry's ideas of Trek being action/adventure mixed with social commentary. Obviously, the definition of action and adventure have changed dramatically since the original airings and that change is obvious in TNG films, specifically. The evidence is there in Star Trek Nemesis, as well as many episodes of Voyager, where there is more mindless action than science.

Of course, Abrams comes at it from a different sentiment. That sentiment doesn't set well with many fans. For my part, and I'll sound hipster, elitist and whatever else you want to call me, I think that Abrams does a good job making a Star Trek film. I think there is social commentary as well as some fun action bits. That's right, I'll argue that Trek 09 and Into Darkness BOTH have social commentary, though it might be less obvious or not the kind of commentary people are looking for in THEIR Star Trek.

So, while I understand people's complaints about it not being Star Trek, I'll respectfully disagree.

Also, no way it is the worse film ever. Not even close.

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See, I come at this with no attachment to the TV series. Haven't watched an episode ever, haven't watched any next-gen films except First Contact. My entire basis for this franchise has been the original 6 theatrical films, which are not ultra slow techno-babble-fests, but are fun, light-hearted sci-fi adventures with interesting, original stories  and likeable characters (OK, except for TMP, which I admit I like).

That's all I ask for, and in my opinion 2009 Trek sorta delivers on this (although I like it less every time I see it), and Into Darkness completely fails at this. Beyond any hyper-nitpicking about how garbage of a script it is (and boy is it), the fact is that the story is convoluted and boring, and I don't like a lot of the characters, so it's a shit movie, plain and simple.

More than anything, nu-trek betrays most of what I find endearing about the original 6, which is seeing an experienced crew trying to think their way out of elaborate problems, while still being light-hearted and having a good time. Nu-Trek is about of a bunch of cocky young assholes who constantly make bad decisions and are rewarded for it, while at the same time trying to be gritty and "dark".

It's literally the anti-thesis of why I like the series.

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In other news, apparently Paramount are working hard to crush sales of their own product by gutting the Blu-Ray of extras, including the filmmakers' commentary.

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Looks like Paramount went full retard... I was going to buy the disc release mostly for the extras.

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Yep.

Just cancelled my pre-order for it and tweeted Paramount the reason why (assuming they're less clueless about twitter than about marketing, and actually pay attention to what people say to them, of course).

Not entirely futile, though, as some of my friends are following suit as a result of what I've posted on The Socials, and tell me they are either cancelling or choosing not to buy now as well.

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The visual commentary is available as a digital download on itunes which is shit- http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/08/review … l-blu-ray/

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Wow - distributing the special features over several retailer releases is descending into new depths of bastardry. Into Darkness. I hope the backlash is brutal. And then they wonder why fans go to pirate sites.

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