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Well, it is pretty far outside our areas of expertise - so I dunno how much we could say about it in an Intermission other than parroting info from elsewhere.   

But on that topic - I bought Obst's book (of which the article is an excerpt) and although I'm only a hundred pages in, the Chernin chapter goes even deeper into that topic in great (and fascinating) detail.   

The issue of China alone is quite something - yes, it's a massive new market, but there are trade restrictions, content restrictions, etc.  Also, a lot of the funding is coming from financiers who've invested heavily in 3D and Imax theaters, and so they only finance content that's produced in... 3D and Imax.    So - tentpoles.  Nothing but tentpoles.   Tentpoles that say positive things about China.   (Oh hai, Looper!)

So, if you're willing to tolerate even more of her writing smile, a lot of the info you're looking for is in her book.

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Addendum - just a few of the interesting tidbits from Obst's book:.   

Comedies rarely translate to foreign markets.   However, since comedies are usually lower-budget, there's a growing market for foreign remakes of American comedies if the details can be transposed to make it work for local audiences.  (There's a Bollywood edition of Wedding Crashers, apparently)

The availability of theaters is a major issue - in China Amazing Spider-man and the Dark Knight Rises had to open the same day , to the detriment of both.

We're sorta sick of 3D in the US.  Apparently they love it in Russia and China and elsewhere.   So it's not going away anytime soon.

Sequels usually give diminishing returns in the US but overseas... different story.   Ice Age (1) made about the same domestically and overseas.  Ice Age 2 made twice as much overseas.  Ice Age 3, triple.    So there's the answer to the question we were all asking - "Ice Age FOUR?  Really?"

Only Americans care about American history.   For example:

Lincoln
Domestic:     $182,207,973      
Foreign:     $93,085,477   

however, make it a genre picture, and...

Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter
Domestic:     $37,519,139      
Foreign:     $78,952,441

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Trey wrote:

Well, it is pretty far outside our areas of expertise - so I dunno how much we could say about it in an Intermission other than parroting info from elsewhere.   

[snip]

So, if you're willing to tolerate even more of her writing smile, a lot of the info you're looking for is in her book.

Her perspective is interesting, but having read a few other things she's written that she'd linked on her website, I'm gonna have to pass. I know my limits.


Trey wrote:

The issue of China alone is quite something - yes, it's a massive new market, but there are trade restrictions, content restrictions, etc.  Also, a lot of the funding is coming from financiers who've invested heavily in 3D and Imax theaters, and so they only finance content that's produced in... 3D and Imax.    So - tentpoles.  Nothing but tentpoles.   Tentpoles that say positive things about China.   (Oh hai, Looper!)

Ah, the promise of the glorious Chinese market, where things are always way more complicated than you thought they'd be and never quite as profitable.

Trey wrote:

Comedies rarely translate to foreign markets.   However, since comedies are usually lower-budget, there's a growing market for foreign remakes of American comedies if the details can be transposed to make it work for local audiences.  (There's a Bollywood edition of Wedding Crashers, apparently).

I was very surprised when Ted, that movie about the talking teddy bear, got a release in Japan. I can't tell you the number of times I've been the only person laughing in the theater. It's embarrassing. I've gone so far as to explain the humor to people afterwards, and usually I'm told that the Japanese subtitles were completely different and no one else even knew it was a joke.  hmm

But for some reason, they spent a shit ton of money on a Japanese comedian, Hiroiki Ariyoshi, whose career is white hot right now, to localize the script and provide the dubbed voice of Ted. I'm tempted to rent it, 'cause Seth MacFarlane's style is so different from Ariyoshi's, it would be like getting two movies for the price of one.

Trey wrote:

The availability of theaters is a major issue - in China Amazing Spider-man and the Dark Knight Rises had to open the same day , to the detriment of both.

This is an interesting point. Every expat in Tokyo has asked themselves at some point, why we have to wait so damn long for movies over here. I hear a lot of the hype from back home, but by the time I can get in on the action, the topic has completely shifted to the next big thing. No one back home is going to be interested in talking about  Man of Steel anymore by late August. Mostly, these delays get blamed on the localization process, which itself is pretty terrible. But Japan's film industry is nothing to sneeze at, and it makes a whole lot more sense if domestic films are getting priority over US-imported tentpole flicks.

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Obst actually mentions trying to sell Wedding Crashers in Japan - apparently Japanese distributors had a really hard time seeing humor in something as profoundly rude and socially unacceptable as showing up uninvited to a wedding. smile

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Cotterpin Doozer wrote:
Trey wrote:

Well, it is pretty far outside our areas of expertise - so I dunno how much we could say about it in an Intermission other than parroting info from elsewhere.   

[snip]

So, if you're willing to tolerate even more of her writing smile, a lot of the info you're looking for is in her book.

Her perspective is interesting, but having read a few other things she's written that she'd linked on her website, I'm gonna have to pass. I know my limits.


Trey wrote:

The issue of China alone is quite something - yes, it's a massive new market, but there are trade restrictions, content restrictions, etc.  Also, a lot of the funding is coming from financiers who've invested heavily in 3D and Imax theaters, and so they only finance content that's produced in... 3D and Imax.    So - tentpoles.  Nothing but tentpoles.   Tentpoles that say positive things about China.   (Oh hai, Looper!)

Ah, the promise of the glorious Chinese market, where things are always way more complicated than you thought they'd be and never quite as profitable.

Trey wrote:

Comedies rarely translate to foreign markets.   However, since comedies are usually lower-budget, there's a growing market for foreign remakes of American comedies if the details can be transposed to make it work for local audiences.  (There's a Bollywood edition of Wedding Crashers, apparently).

I was very surprised when Ted, that movie about the talking teddy bear, got a release in Japan. I can't tell you the number of times I've been the only person laughing in the theater. It's embarrassing. I've gone so far as to explain the humor to people afterwards, and usually I'm told that the Japanese subtitles were completely different and no one else even knew it was a joke.  hmm

But for some reason, they spent a shit ton of money on a Japanese comedian, Hiroiki Ariyoshi, whose career is white hot right now, to localize the script and provide the dubbed voice of Ted. I'm tempted to rent it, 'cause Seth MacFarlane's style is so different from Ariyoshi's, it would be like getting two movies for the price of one.

Trey wrote:

The availability of theaters is a major issue - in China Amazing Spider-man and the Dark Knight Rises had to open the same day , to the detriment of both.

This is an interesting point. Every expat in Tokyo has asked themselves at some point, why we have to wait so damn long for movies over here. I hear a lot of the hype from back home, but by the time I can get in on the action, the topic has completely shifted to the next big thing. No one back home is going to be interested in talking about  Man of Steel anymore by late August. Mostly, these delays get blamed on the localization process, which itself is pretty terrible. But Japan's film industry is nothing to sneeze at, and it makes a whole lot more sense if domestic films are getting priority over US-imported tentpole flicks.

Hey, the Attack of the Clones thread just saw a resurgence here so why not Man of Steel? wink

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Trey wrote:

Obst actually mentions trying to sell Wedding Crashers in Japan - apparently Japanese distributors had a really hard time seeing humor in something as profoundly rude and socially unacceptable as showing up uninvited to a wedding. smile

Yeah, that's definitely something that would never happen over here. In addition to the social stigma, everything at a Japanese wedding is so scripted and organized that it's simply not possible to walk in uninvited. In the Wedding Crashers, the guys were doing it for free food and booze and the chance to get lucky, but one of the first things you do upon arriving at a wedding here is hand over an envelope with a predetermined cash gift (usually around $300) for the happy couple, and there's not much opportunity to socialize with other wedding guests until the after-party, which is going to cost you another $50-60. There are so many profound differences in the way things are done here that audiences would just be baffled, particularly since many Japanese are unaware that there are any differences.

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fireproof78 wrote:
Cotterpin Doozer wrote:

Every expat in Tokyo has asked themselves at some point, why we have to wait so damn long for movies over here. I hear a lot of the hype from back home, but by the time I can get in on the action, the topic has completely shifted to the next big thing. No one back home is going to be interested in talking about  Man of Steel anymore by late August. Mostly, these delays get blamed on the localization process, which itself is pretty terrible. But Japan's film industry is nothing to sneeze at, and it makes a whole lot more sense if domestic films are getting priority over US-imported tentpole flicks.

Hey, the Attack of the Clones thread just saw a resurgence here so why not Man of Steel? wink

It's a deal, but I don't know if I'll be able to come up with any comments witty enough to be worth a 3 month wait. tongue

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Just going to leave this here:
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-wa … imploding/

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^Beat me to it.

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I'm not reading all that shit, just tell me who I gotta blame for the problems and I'll join in. I suspect it's those fucking interdimensional reptilians at it again.

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Ewing wrote:

I'm not reading all that shit, just tell me who I gotta blame for the problems and I'll join in. I suspect it's those fucking interdimensional reptilians at it again.

This is all you need to know:
http://www.webstoodstupid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/20120814-013152.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/mQvvoqv.gif

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It's ok, we have someone on the case but look out, he's almost out of bubblegum.......

http://www.michaelbransonsmith.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/They-Live-Obey-Sm.gif

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I wonder how people would react should aliens ever visit. Fifty years of movies and TV have really messed us up (at least in the western world).

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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redxavier wrote:

I wonder how people would react should aliens ever visit. Fifty years of movies and TV have really messed us up (at least in the western world).

"That is the worse make up job we have ever seen!"

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