Topic: This Oatmeal / Tesla Thing

Hey y'all, I've been thinking about this a lot for the past few hours. Specifically part two. (If you don't have much time, just read the second part of it, which is linked separately at the bottom.)

I like Musk, and I like Tesla, and I like Tesla, and I like the idea of a Tesla museum. That said, the more I think about it, the more this seems like a massive dick move on Oatmeal's part... or at the very least, outrageously manipulative.

But I wanna hash that out with someone. Anybody interested is talking this out with me?

The thing I keep coming back to is the inclusion of Musk's Bond car. Why was that included? It seems like the only reason for Oatmeal to include that is to pre-empt any ability for Musk to turn this down. Suppose he did. "Oh, I get it, so he'll buy a movie prop but he won't [insert rest of argument here]." Which... isn't that shitty, on Oatmeal's part? It's kind of blackmail-ish, he's clearly trying to force Musk's hand by pre-shaming him.

More or less any human being could play that exact same trick on Musk for the rest of his life, on behalf of any worthwhile cause. Anybody could do that. It is in no way related to Oatmeal's Tesla museum. It's just a tactic. And it'd be shitty every time. But wouldn't it be less shitty, so long as we're trying to manipulate billionaires, to donate eight million bucks to... like, malaria? Or research and development for narrow-spectrum antibiotics? Or mining asteroids? Or something?

It seems especially shitty to me because The Oatmeal is really, really popular. There was never a chance this wasn't going to become a thing on Musk's desk. It's a sure thing. Whereas if it were, like, us doing this, and it could only get to Musk's desk because it genuinely struck a chord with people and went viral, that'd be a bunch of people asking for eight million bucks. Right now it's just one guy. For his thing. Because "Tesla."

I don't know. I'm still workin' it out. Thoughts?

EDIT: I've come up with a term for this: "loudsourcing."

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It rubbed me a little wrong too. He made plenty of good, salient points without the inclusion of that purchase.

(I feel bad responding to your paragraphs with two sentences but that's pretty much the sum total of my thoughts on it.)

(Also I can't wait for the Tesla BlueStar, I think my current ride will last that long.)

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Yeah, reading that gave me a bad taste in my mouth.

He asked the guy to give $8 million of his own money to the cause he is passionate about. Okay, that's not unethical or anything. It's worth a try.

But he could have done that in a private message. He made it public in order to pressure him into doing it. He told everyone about how much money he has and that he doesn't always use it for noble/useful things (who does?) to guilt him into paying up.

Now people will think ill of Musk if he doesn't give up his own 8 muh-muh-million dollars for the cause they've cared so deeply about for the last two hours. I'd say that's pretty low.

EDIT: It also quickly became obvious his reason for posting his car review, which was to drive publicity to his cause. That further reveals Inman's reliance upon public pressure in this "request."

Last edited by Sam F (2014-05-14 03:17:05)

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Teague wrote:

The thing I keep coming back to is the inclusion of Musk's Bond car. Why was that included? It seems like the only reason for Oatmeal to include that is to pre-empt any ability for Musk to turn this down. Suppose he did. "Oh, I get it, so he'll buy a movie prop but he won't [insert rest of argument here]." Which... isn't that shitty, on Oatmeal's part? It's kind of blackmail-ish, he's clearly trying to force Musk's hand by pre-shaming him.

Happens all the time. They've been trying to shame the owner of the Washington Redskins for decades. If you're rich and/or famous, get used to it.


It seems especially shitty to me because The Oatmeal is really, really popular. There was never a chance this wasn't going to become a thing on Musk's desk. It's a sure thing. Whereas if it were, like, us doing this, and it could only get to Musk's desk because it genuinely struck a chord with people and went viral, that'd be a bunch of people asking for eight million bucks. Right now it's just one guy. For his thing. Because "Tesla."

I have to admit, I've never heard of that site before (all popularity is relative these days). To me it read like the kind of thing where the author already heard a "no" of some form, so went public. If you're not going to get the money anyway, might as well use that fact to help drum up support from elsewhere.

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Invid wrote:

If you're not going to get the money anyway, might as well use that fact to help drum up support from elsewhere.

But he made the point to say that the support is not going to come from elsewhere. This is a very tightly focused plea for one man to give money.

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Yes, but not everything people say is true.

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The real shit thing is how Musk has already given some money.

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Musk's tweeted offer to help is a classy move. He has the resources to get people involved in forming a proper board of directors and raising the money to build a proper museum. And it won't cost him $8 million personally.

It's possible that he has thought (or been told by his PR staff) that he needs to build a Tesla museum of some kind anyway, even if it's just in a corner of his corporate headquarters, off the lobby waiting room. It's just good policy. Most big corporations have something somewhere that displays some of their history.

EDIT: And I don't regard it as especially crass of Inman to ask. Everything he says is true, and it's the kind of thing that museum directors say to potential donors all the time. He's just a little clumsy to say it publicly on his little cat cartoons website.

I strongly suspect that a conversation between an established museum director and a potential donor would sound a lot like a Medieval friar trying sell an indulgence to a merchant.

Last edited by Zarban (2014-05-14 16:00:38)

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Isn't this story basically "a jerk does a jerky thing to a super rich guy for a good cause"?  That's basically half of all con artist stories.  Basically, I'm saying this act of public bullying could be a movie.

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Sort of a "Musk and Me"?

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Good point, Zarban - his tweet doesn't say "I'm giving you all that money," nor does it need to - he has resources and people and other ways to get money for something that, yes, would be good PR for him to have anyway.

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Cannot STAND The Oatmeal, and the Tesla worship in particular bugs the shit out of me. Nikola Tesla was a fascinating and eccentric personality. Piling heaps of praise on him and making angry webcomics when people dare to criticize him reduces him to some generic "science hero" and that's bullshit.

Also it's a shitty, unfunny webcomic that panders to the worst internet in-jokes (lol bacon lol cats!!! XD XD).

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Yeah, I don't know much about Tesla but the whole "Tesla > Edison" thing is really annoying. I saw it on a bumper sticker the other day. Just seems like a pretentious (and pointless) thing to "stand for," without actually having to be smart.

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Sam F wrote:

Yeah, I don't know much about Tesla but the whole "Tesla > Edison" thing is really annoying. I saw it on a bumper sticker the other day. Just seems like a pretentious (and pointless) thing to "stand for," without actually having to be smart.

Although, I think we can all agree, Edison was a massive asshole.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

Cannot STAND The Oatmeal, and the Tesla worship in particular bugs the shit out of me. Nikola Tesla was a fascinating and eccentric personality. Piling heaps of praise on him and making angry webcomics when people dare to criticize him reduces him to some generic "science hero" and that's bullshit.

Also it's a shitty, unfunny webcomic that panders to the worst internet in-jokes (lol bacon lol cats!!! XD XD).

Couldn't agree more, the comic is not for me. But actions over words, you know? Motherfucker just wants some help building a science museum. Can't knock that.

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**Edited for realizing this was a terrible opinion**

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