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If it were not for you guys, I wouldn't have watched Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs, which I fricking love 
EDIT: just remembered, Mystery Men is edited by a couple of seconds in the UK, so the PAL commentary won't synch up this time round.
Last edited by Jimmy B (2011-05-06 22:57:11)
Thanks for Zombieland. It was another nitpicking hen party, but the chat was fun!
I said this on the chatroom but no DIFers saw it- Red Dawn was the first PG-13, not Temple Of Doom as was mentioned in the Mystery Men Commentary 
'I apologize for blurting out an incorrect answer. Something in the back of my head screamed 'temple of doom'
I should've done research, but these hands are typing hands, not thinking ones. 
I really don't understand how ZOMBIELAND was nitpicking. Nitpicking is "the black levels didn't match in that composite," which I won't deny we do on occasion. But it's not "the actions of these characters are inconsistent with their established personalities and the situation" or "this is a diversion from the plot that kills the film's momentum for the sake of a couple jokes, and not enough of them proportionate to the length of the diversion," or "I don't connect with these characters." Those are critiques of the film's fundamental construction with, hopefully, solid reasons given and ideally constructive opinions on what would have worked better for us.
You know what, fuck it.
I knew this was bad idea.
You obviously all know what you're doing.
Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2011-05-08 09:32:03)
Oh fuck off, I'm done taking shit for the Star Trek commentary. I made a conscious effort to stake out a critical analytical ground separate from my fanboy objections. Do I have fanboy objections? Yes. Are those part of the discussion in the commentary? Yes. But I refuse to have my very valid criticisms of things like character motivations, magic bean construction, and plot absurdities written off as if I were complaining about nothing more than the color of the phaser beams. And if you'd like my opinion on how to fix AbramsTrek's story, you should read my very lengthy post in the Star Trek commentary thread about how to fix AbramsTrek's story.
And as Dorkman has already pointed out, if you take the recent stack of our commentaries, you actually have to go pretty far back to get to a solid hate fest, by my reckoning (not counting Scott Pilgrim), you have to go to Legion and Spiderman 2 (granted, I wasn't present nor have I listened to the Twilight commentary). And Legion is absolutely a "take it apart and put it back together" commentary and I distinctly remember both Dorkman and I (at the very least) talking about how to make Spiderman 2 better.
But ultimately, I haven't listened to Zombieland yet, so I can't comment on it specifically. But you'll need to present more evidence of this "trend" than one data point to make your case.
Not sure how this sore point has come up, but I was with Brian on Star Trek, even tho I actually enjoyed the movie as stupid fun.
Zombieland was a good, fun movie that was a fair bit deeper than any other zombie movie I can think of. It certainly had flaws (many of the obstacles they encounter wouldn't be obstacles in a zombie apocalypse, and the climax requires the girls to act stupidly), but the panel harped on the flaws unnecessarily, pointed out flaws that don't exist, and never gave much credit to what works.
The zombies-aren't-zombies complaint is pointless nitpicking, plus it's probably wrong. As far as we can tell from the Amber Heard incident, people get bitten, die, and rise as zombies. Regardless, they shamble around and try to eat you: they are zombies.
The extended discussion of product placement was not helpful to your case.
Emma Stone is terrific. The repeated complaints about her (and other popular actors who aren't even in the movie) were annoying. There are ways of expressing your distaste for something without acting like people who don't share that distaste are stupid.
The characters' true motivations are different from their professed motivations, which are all foolish—and the other characters all know it. If you didn't see that, you were giving the film a shallow reading.
The interlude with Bill Murray was too long, but that's the only time in the film when the characters are safe and can interact as normal human beings. It's a crucial turning point for their characters.
Trey's complaint that the huge clown zombie at the end is no different from any other is a good example of the panel not making an effort to connect with the film. Columbus is afraid of zombies and clowns. Here is a great big clown zombie just when he needs to be brave. Not elegant, but give them credit for trying.
The stakes in the film are emotional and not physical. The beginning of the film establishes that our main characters are survivors, so surviving won't be their challenge. Their problems are internal. The panel seemed unwilling to connect with that.
Overall, if anyone on the panel liked the movie, it didn't show. It felt like the panel was being unfair and not giving it any credit.
Didn't help that Teague, who claims to like the movie the most, decided to shut up for most of it.
My criticism of this, and some other commentaries, aren't that you spoke badly of the movie. I expect criticism and analysis of what didn't work and occasionally I even agree with you. I just prefer the commentaries where's there an actual discussion with two opposite sides. The best commentaries are the ones where there is some level of disagreement on the merits of a movie.
It should be said though, that I generally don't like listening to people rip something apart, even if I didn't like it myself. I'd rather listen to someone tell me why something works than why something doesn't, but that's obviously a very subjective thing and different people look for different things in their DIF.
Also, I didn't like the new guy. Nothing against him as a person; I just didn't think he brought anything substantial to the table beyond the aforementioned nitpicking. I'm sure that's something that would improve if he does more commentaries and find that particular DIF-rythm, but there are so many other panelists which I think consistently bring the goods alredy.
Just my take on things, no hard feelings I hope.
'I apologize for blurting out an incorrect answer. Something in the back of my head screamed 'temple of doom'
I should've done research, but these hands are typing hands, not thinking ones.
My post was aimed at Teague who said during the live show it was Temple of Doom
I didn't mind the Zombieland commentary. It got a bit heated in the chatroom and while I like the film, I agree it has flaws (I think the entire Bill Murray scene is pointless). The only problem I had with the commentay was the stuff said about Emma Stone, I thought that was quite mean. I only know her from Zombieland (and the shortlived show Drive), though.
And I don't see a trend of hatred, don't know here that came from. you commented on Pirates 1 and 2 and Riddick 1 and 2, you liked one and disliked the other of each. I think that's bloody fair. There have been more positive comms than negative.
Last edited by Jimmy B (2011-05-08 16:24:59)
I see where Zarban is coming from on this one, to be honest. I'll try harder to steer conversations veering off into making-fun-of-the-movie-just-cuz territory back into the traditional DIF constructive criticism in the future.
i thought the zombieland commentary was fine. Not too nitpicky, but i also don't like the new guy. he just didn't seem to have the same flow as the others.
And Brian, I only brought up the Star Trek commentary because I recently listened to it. You had some valid points, and yes this newer one doesn't have the same vibe as the others. But I don't think that that old vibe was what JJ was going for. He explicitely stated that he wanted to make a Star Trek for everyone.
You, switch? It was Maul that brought up up the Star Trek commentary that I was responding to.
"He explicitely stated that he wanted to make a Star Trek for everyone."
Translation: He wanted to make something for the lowest common denominator. I seem to recall people generally thinking that's a bad thing.
EDIT: I realized I responded to the wrong point and that my answer above only reinforces the perception that I dislike it purely because it is new and different.
It's not that it has a new "vibe." It's that the new vibe is a stupid one. It's a vacuous, superficial, ultimately meaningless movie that, as constructed, makes no dramatic sense. New vibe? Knock yourself out. Completely thematically devoid new vibe? Not fine.
Anyway, I'm as sick of having this argument as I'm sure everyone else is of having to listen to it and it's at best tangential to this discussion. Let's move on.
Last edited by Brian (2011-05-08 21:07:24)
well, it's new to me. Like i said, i just recently listened to it. I should have added for the first time. The argument is new to me and I didn't frequent the release thread when it first started.
But alright, we'll move on.
I disagree with viewpoints from time to time but I've never heard anything outright idiotic and uninformed. I honestly don't care if you universally hate the movie, praise to heaven or have a debate; just as long as you do it. DiF gives me something entertaining and informative to listen to while doing shit and that's all I want from it.
The first time I read that, my brain put a "so" in your first sentence that changed the entire post for me.
Thank god for re-reading.
So how many top secret surprise commentaries are you recording during this so called "hiatus"?
Lol. None.
LIIIIIIIES!!!!
They've done it before!! THEY'LL DO IT AGAIN!!! DON'T BELIEVE THE PROPAGANDA!!!
Zarban, in the chat, didn't you say we should record our own Zombieland commentary for Sofa Dogs? I haven't received an email from you on the subject. Please get back to me when you're able so we can schedule a date and time.
Also, my birthday is coming up (the 23rd, I'll be 32) and DIF will be on hiatus. I am sadness incarnate. 
Zarban, in the chat, didn't you say we should record our own Zombieland commentary for Sofa Dogs? I haven't received an email from you on the subject. Please get back to me when you're able so we can schedule a date and time.
Also, my birthday is coming up (the 23rd, I'll be 32) and DIF will be on hiatus. I am sadness incarnate.
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NOT releasing the pirates commentary tonight broke my heart
i needed something to keep me occupied until on stranger tides
I never upload episodes before releasing them.
yes!! you are a saint. now i dont have to listen to johnny depp and gore verbinski mumble for 2.5 hrs
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