Re: The old "next week" thread.
What did you want?
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What did you want?
I wanted something more realistic based on the battle itself, not a movie adaption of a comic/graphic novel/whatever based on the battle.
Seems like your problem is with the movie they decided to make, not the way they made it. Is that fair?
That's fair. Like I said, my response was 'meh.' I don't dislike it, but I don't care enough to come up with a real opinion of it.
I wanted characters. And a plot.
Characters:
King Leonidas: Born into royalty and a warrior class with a passion for his country and its ideals that are only eclipsed by his love for his queen. A master tactician with a fiery temper.
Xerxes: Power mad tyrant who feels that there is nothing that freedom can't do that oppressive rule cannot do better. His alien like physical appearance parallels his inability to understand how Leonidas can command free men to do what his oppressed people cannot.
Ephialtes: His desire to fit in blinds any sense of morality as he is willing to flip sides and betray his countrymen in order to play act in a role he doesn't have the mettle to earn, irrespective of his deformity. He is given an opportunity to serve his king, but his ego feeds his rage, and he betrays a nation.
PLOT: In the birth of the modern world a small band of idealists ignore the law and defy the odds to defend their home against an army the early world had not yet known. By using cunning, geographic advantages, and superior weapons and strategy, a King was able to give his countrymen the time they needed to uncover a plot of corruption committed by their own brothers.
You're entitled to not like any of this, but an ad hoc dismissal of these elements like they don't exist is just silly and in no way accurate.
I think this movie kind of comes down to what kind of person you are.
If you think putting your back to a rock, whipping out your dick, and daring the devil to suck it sounds like an awesome time, you probably like 300. If you would rather sit in the air conditioning with your iPad, you may very well not get hard nipples from watching 300.
For the record, mine could have cut glass the whole way through.
I think this movie kind of comes down to what kind of person you are.
If you think putting your back to a rock, whipping out your dick, and daring the devil to suck it sounds like an awesome time, you probably like 300. If you would rather sit in the air conditioning with your iPad, you may very well not get hard nipples from watching 300.
For the record, mine could have cut glass the whole way through.
Air Conditioning and iPad sounds like a lovely afternoon to me.....
....and I fuckin LOVE 300.
God dammit, sir, you're supposed to be the guy telling the devil he BETTER suck my dick fo' you spear him in the kidney. If I can't count on you for that, who can I count on? I don't want to have to be next to Jake or Brian in the Phalanx!
I'll have you know I would hold my own just fine. I took a phalanx class in college.
Thigh tae neck, Brian. Thigh... tae neck.
Fine, Eddie, I'll elaborate. I wanted actual believable human characters, and a plot where things happened that actually made sense.
That better?
I get that some people like two-hour music videos. I'm not saying you're a bad person for digging it. I'm just saying that I was bored out of my fuckin' skull the whole way through.
Fine, Eddie, I'll elaborate. I wanted actual believable human characters, and a plot where things happened that actually made sense.
But, as we talk about in the commentary, 300 is a one-sided propaganda piece told by Spartans, to Spartans, the last ~third of which the storyteller himself could not possibly know, because he wasn't there, and everyone who was got the fuck killed out of them.
It's not an historical record. It's not trying to be. It's a testosterone-fueled, politically incorrect, partially-fabricated, cockslapping hyperbolic tall tale, the Spartan equivalent of the legend of Casey Jones, Paul Bunyan, or Davy Crockett.
Yeah, I get that that was the conceit. My problem wasn't with the fact that the movie's not historical. My problem was with the fact that the movie was not — to me — interesting or entertaining on any level.
Well, you're wrong. And should expect to be summarily kicked down a well.
That should totally be your new motto. "Down in Front: Where an opinion can be wrong."
That should totally be your new motto. "Down in Front: Where an opinion can be wrong."
*Where your opinion is wrong.
Fine, Eddie, I'll elaborate. I wanted actual believable human characters, and a plot where things happened that actually made sense.
That better?
I get that some people like two-hour music videos. I'm not saying you're a bad person for digging it. I'm just saying that I was bored out of my fuckin' skull the whole way through.
You defend your broad generalizations with yet another (and a pinch of condescension). Michel Gondry has directed 40 or so music videos. As have Spike Jonez, David Fincher, and Mark Romanek. If any of them make a 2 hour music video, I'd be there because Im a fan of those artists.
I'm a fan of Frank Miller, as well as a Zack Snyder fan. The work they did was lyrical, not literal, and I like it. You're entitled not to. Your opinion is not wrong. But if you're going to ground your opinion on something quantifiable like plot or characters, then frame your opinion as such. I really don't know why Orpheus looks back into that cave for Calliope after being told not to. It makes no logical sense. But we don't dismiss it out right. 300 works much in the same way. It is a mythical retelling of an historical event. The characters are meant to be larger than life, the action is meant to be over the top and executioners are supposed to have bladed flippers for hands and goat people play the pan flute in harems, god dammit. You're either on board or not, but its in no way less relevant for it.
Well, let's be fair here. I wasn't trying to give a lengthy and informed dissertation on the film. I just threw my opinion out there. You're totally right to call on me to defend it, but the truth is I really can't. It's been an age since I saw the film — only watched it once, on cable — so I'm not equipped to get all chapter-and-verse on it the way I did on Star Trek oh so many moons ago.
Let me me perfectly clear: I'm not saying you suck for liking it. I'm not even saying it's objectively bad. I'm saying it wasn't my cup of tea, to the point of active distaste. It lacked all the things that I like in a good movie. It was, to me, neither emotionally compelling nor thought-provoking, nor sufficiently mindlessly diverting to hold my attention. But it was so aggressively in-my-face about its lack of those qualities that I found myself actively resenting it. A bad movie can be a bad movie without being a dick about it. 300 was a dick about it.
Thus, it was not to my liking. I did not care for it. Chacun à son goût.
I am clearly in the minority here. I absolutely love 300.
We do too.
I loved it at the time, but haven't been able to convince myself to watch it again.
I'm with Jeffrey. It looked cool, but half the time I couldn't figure out what people's motivations were and the other half it just seemed simple-minded. I was on board with the concept, especially since—by the time I got around to seeing it—I knew that it was an over-the-top comic book adaptation and not a historical thing.
It seemed to me like somehow the king of the Spartans ended up being The Cop With a Theory No One Believes.
Last edited by Zarban (2010-05-19 00:03:30)
This was probably one of the best (and least sober) theatre going experiences in my life. I have only seen this film that one time, and fucking loved it. I was scared to watch it again but now that DiF loves it I should give it a shot.
Wow. Do we have a new front-runner for the most-polarizing-movie award?
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