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Just saw it in 2D. I absolutely LOVED it. I really didn't know what to feel about it Thursday night, but seeing it in 2D made a massive difference. It's amazing what dropping a dimension does for the movie. I've never been a fan of 3D, but I wanted to give The Hobbit a chance. I'm now officially in Christopher Nolan's camp. 3D sucks. It's more immersive, yet somehow pulls you out of the story. Maybe some day they'll come up with a better way to do it, but for now, I'll stick to 2D when I can.

Of course the movie wasn't perfect, but now I'm really excited to see the next two.

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Just got back from seeing this and I really enjoyed it - I'd argue that if you were ambivalent or apathetic about LOTR then you're likely to feel the same with this one, but if you loved the extended editions then this is gold. There were some moments where I was truely awed and others still that completely surprised me.

It's not perfect, there's a song/dance routine that seems a bit out of place and there's a little too much CGI in there - orcs and goblins especially. WETA brought some superb prosthetics and make-up work to the table last time around, but here I'd say they dropped the ball.

And because CGI is being used so much more, characters perform way too much of the acrobatic heroics that Legolas was given in LOTR, which most of the time look ridiculous or fake. There's a sequence that reminded me of the Tintin movie, so improbable and fast is this chase that it becomes a cartoon (tone wise), at which point the danger of the scene becomes undermined.

Finally, geography. It's piss poor in this one. I don't mean Middle Earth, I mean the geography of the scene. This is one of the criticisms I had of LOTR as well, where either parts of a location don't flow or match well or the relationship from one part to the other isn't clear. There's one particular scene where it gets rather maddening.

All that said, those hours whizzed by and I didn't want it to finish. I think that's one of the greatest compliments you can give a film.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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Also, I'm not sure if I want a sword that glows blue in the presence of Orcs when it's going to give my location away in the dark. I'd be asking the Elvish Appstore for a refund on that spell.

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Re: How will you be seeing 'The Hobbit'? In 3D? IMAX? 48fps? Digital? 4K?

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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I'm reserving a full review until I see it again in 48 fps (the way it was meant to be seen) but I think I liked it. I was bored for the first half, to be honest, but once we see Radagast's encounter with the Necromancer, the movie started to engage me. Too bad that subplot doesn't pay off. I assume they're saving it for part 2.

Also, I loved seeing Benedict Cumberbatch's name in the credits. Wasn't he great as the Necromancer's groan in that one scene?

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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58 (edited by bullet3 2012-12-16 12:33:45)

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I actually really disagree RedXavier. Especially with the Helm's Deep battle, I always hold that up as a gold-standard of battle editing and geography. Considering how much crap is going on, I almost always have a clear idea of where all the main characters are, what the flow of battle is, where the enemies are, etc.

Most movies with big battles really fuck this kind of thing up, see something like the 13th Warrior, which has major continuity and geography issues, or Gladiator.

In fact, the only real example that I can think of off the top of my head that did it equally well is the end battle of Saving Private Ryan, where we get a clear picture of the layout of the town, what the fall-back points are, and have a good idea of where the different squad-members are as the nazis are rolling in.

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God loves you!

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I just saw it and liked it a lot. I think they fuckin nailed the Riddles in the Dark sequence.


And I also don't have any major complaints. I'm just happy to see another adventure in Middle Earth.

Protection and power are overrated. I think you are very wise to choose happiness and love. -Uncle Iroh

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Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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Just came back from IMAX 24fps (after first seeing it elsewhere at 48fps) and there's a world of difference with the panning shots. The sequences where (1) Randagast leads the orcs away, and (2) the breaking out of the mines escape action sequence are MUCH clearer at 48fps. Frenetic action in 24fps 3D is blurry.

Spoilers:
The humour is just as flat in both. The combination of Martin Freeman's understated (even bland) performance combined with the camera lingering on him doesn't work. Four examples: (1) the fainting scene needs to shortened - it's not funny, (2) the scene where Bilbo changes his mind in the morning about joining the adventure is done without any emotion,  (3) the reaction to 'if we win we eats it?' is too long (3) and the scene where Bilbo pulls the sword out of the dead warg and stares expressionless (forever) at the charging wargs. All four scenes need a trim or better take. They could have almost cast Sam Worthington. Perhaps blandness works better for international box office - as its not culturally specific.

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I agree with you on the fainting and the mind changing, but I liked the timing of the 'If we win we eats it whole' reaction.

I thought Freeman was good, I think he just wasn't given a whole lot of acting to do.

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Wrote this for Facebook, I'll repost it here.

I just got out of The Hobbit in 48 fps. I HATED HATED HATED it. Totally distracting, tacky, and unnecessary. There's nothing this format offers that IMAX doesn't already provide, and better. It is heinous to behold, an embarrassment to cinema. I had to walk into another screening afterwards for a few minutes just to wash the bad taste out of my mouth. An hour in I contemplated leaving altogether. It was a horrendous experience. It was like I was watching it on TV. It actually made me tune out of the movie, like I could go on Facebook and just let it play in the background. HFR 3D is an interesting idea, but in execution it is a complete and total failure. Don't waste your time or your money.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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I've seen the film now three times: HFR 3D, 2D, then IMAX 3D. I hugely preferred the HFR 3D. In fact, I was annoyed with the IMAX presentation for being so blurry, and I certainly had new hatred for the conversion on things like the Star Trek preview and the MoS trailer.

The film in 2D is fine, looks just like LotR.

I'm completely sold on HFR, and this from a guy who wasn't going to see it in HFR at all (I got invited to an advance screening). The only reason to go to an IMAX screening instead of HFR would be the quality of the sound, so IMAX HFR is probably  the way to go.

I can't wait until more films are made this way. I hope the ridiculous anti-HFR backlash isn't going to keep the Star Wars sequels from being shot in the format. It really is the way to go if you want to do 3D.

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67 (edited by Doctor Submarine 2012-12-17 17:49:09)

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I honestly don't see how anyone looks at HFR and thinks anything other than, "This is shit." Yes, the resolution is higher, but it just looks...wrong! Completely wrong.

I saw it in IMAX 3D first, and like I said, there's nothing that HFR does that IMAX doesn't do better.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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There you go. We're had the full gamut of reactions to HFR on DIF - from vehemently against to 'meh' to 'road to Damascus conversion'

The box office is going to be huge on this movie as all of us film nerds will be paying double or triple to see a movie that probably doesn't deserve multiple viewing on its own merits.

not long to go now...

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The action scenes were the parts that I least hated the HFR. But let's be honest, there aren't really all that many of those. This is a pretty talky movie, to the point that Jackson inserts big epic battles for really no reason. Did we really need that Azog flashback? No. That's something that should have gone in an extended edition.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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God loves you!

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I mean, I liked Azog as a character and as a foe for Thorin and the gang, I guess. I hated the CGI on him, though. His skin was too smooth, so it looked like there wasn't much detail on him. Made him look like a video game character.

I guess Azog is like the Saruman of this franchise. But is he enough of a presence to sustain it? Maybe the Necromancer will take some of that in Part II.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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I think I'm gonna start work on "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Edit" as soon as I can, if Mike J Nichols doesn't get there first.

Eddie Doty

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