Topic: Master and Commander
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Tell me how you feel about this episode.
I hated this movie, and the commentary did nothing, absolutely nothing, to change my mind about it. It was like a really really boring episode of TNG, only not in space so it's cool, but on water so it's boring and ugly.
@Beldar: Why wouldn't you?
I loved this movie, I love this era and learning about the day to day life of these kinds of people. I just freakin love the shit outta it, that's about it really.
@Teague: It's not about a family, but Life of Pi has eating the guts out of a turtle shell. Is that what you were thinking of?
Last edited by BigDamnArtist (2010-06-14 11:06:53)
Who listens to a commentary about a movie he hates?
Huh? It's a podcast, not a Blu-Ray.
Just a historical correction - France and England have never been one country or a single people. The Saxons and Angles were Germanic people who settled in England following the Roman withdrawal. France was settled by Franks, who were also originally Germanic but developed a different culture from those in north eastern Europe (e.g., Germans, Scandinavians and Anglo-Saxons). The culture of Anglo-Saxon was very different to the one that presided in France.
In 1066, some Norman arseholes invaded England and took over but although linguistically and culturally French, these invaders were only representative of a single duchy and not the Kingdom of Francia. That is to say, this wasn't a union of Francia and England. Further, aspects of the Norman culture were assimilated to produce an Anglo-Norman variation of the culture on the continent. A good deal of French words were incorporated but the language did not undergo any wholesale transformation as it was spoken mainly by the ruling elite. Even today English retains just as much influence from old Norse (days of the week being the most obvious) as it does from French.
Anyway, being King of England and also Duke of Normandy (and later, other parts of France) was to be the core reason for much of the conflict between the English and the French over the next few centuries.
It's easy to see how after two or three generations of fighting to protect and extend their Norman rulers' interests on the continent, as well as being rather brutally subjugated and oppressed at home by these guys, the English developed a hatred of Normans and other French folk.
What's fascinating is that prior to 1066, the English and French had never much cared about each other (I don't think we'd ever fought against each other before). It makes you wonder how different history would have turned out if Hastings had had a different outcome.
On that note: Have you ever noticed just how many synonyms English has? If you don't speak any other languages you might never have noticed, but really it's kind of ridiculous. Virtually every word in our language has at least one synonym, and most often one of the two synonyms seems more polite than the other. Best example of this I know is "sweat" and "perspire." The two words are perfect synonyms; they mean exactly the same thing. But one is more polite.
"Sweat" (the verb) is from the Old English "swætan." "Perspire" is from the Norman French "perspirer," out of the Latin "perspirare," literally "to breathe through."
Between 1066 and the mid-1400s, late Anglo-Saxon and Norman French merged to form what we now call Middle English, which of course evolved into Modern English starting in the 15th century or so.
But we've retained almost all of the vocabulary of both languages. The grammar and basic functional words are Anglo-Saxon, but fully half of the vocabulary of Modern English is French. You can especially see this with the meat words: cow versus beef, swine versus pork, deer versus venison. Pretty much the only meat word we retain from Old English is lamb, and that's just cause the French "agneau" is hard for us to pronounce. (We did retain the name Agnes, though, which is just the Latin word for "lamb" with a different spelling.)
Anyway, it's all a thousand-year-old side effect of the fact that the nobles spoke French and the common people spoke Anglo-Saxon. We kept almost all the words, but even today we associate the French words with politeness or snootiness, and the Old English words with being low-class or common, or even rude. Social memory lasts a long time.
Okay, done being a word nerd now.
Who listens to a commentary about a movie he hates?
Someone who finds the commentators interesting Also, I'm the type that enjoys hearing other points of view so long as they're given rationally (for example, while I ignore Fox News there's a University lecture podcast that has numerous conservative guest speakers who who often are fascinating)
Invid: Got a link for that?
It's the Uchannel podcast, which you can find through iTunes. The subscription feed is
http://uc.princeton.edu/main/index2.php … ;no_html=1
There's also a video version for many of the lectures. There's a lull now as it's the end of the semester, but you often get stuff from the UK this time of year and it's interesting to hear their take on US problems.
Quick is the word and sharp is the action. Stand tall on the Quarterdeck son, all of us! Huzzah!
Pick up Master and Commander at the Down in Front store
Master and Commander on IMDB
Master and Commander on Box Office Mojo
Development from the Patrick O'Brian novels
The abridged movie tie-in is available in the books section of the store
His Majesty at the time was George III
HBO's Rome
Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson, killed at the Battle of Trafalgar, October 1805, six months after the events of Master and Commander
Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies...
Russell Crowe on Twitter
Bad Astronomy and Human survival in space
Moby Dick, read it
Galápagos Islands; Darwin would not explore them until 1835
John Harrison invented the first marine chronometer
*Clocks were necessary to calculate Longitude at sea, for the full story pick up Longitude by Dava Sobel
Albatross as a metaphor in Rime of the Ancient Mariner
Circa 6th century Anglo-Saxon territory included parts of England and France.
Gary Chang's modular Hong Kong apartment (yeah, found it, what up?)
Ladymouth? You be the judge
Human Centipede: The Game, also a movie
Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr.
*Fun fact: Motorola is a contraction of motor and Victrola; remember how early car CD players would skip on bumps? Imagine trying to play a record in the car
The Tuba was not developed until 1835
Your summer reading list:
The Cay, by Theodore Taylor
Where the Red Fern Grows, by Wilson Rawls
The Yearling, by Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings
A Separate Peace, by John Knowles
The Hatchet, by Gary Paulsen
Summer of the Monkeys, by Wilson Rawls
The Catcher in the Rye, by J. D. Salinger
Bridge to Terabithia, by Katherine Paterson
My Side of the Mountain, by Jean Craighead George
Lord of the Flies, by William Golding
The Chocolate War, by Robert Cormier (Doug Hutchison portrays Obie Jameson in the film),
Island of the Blue Dolphins, by Scott O'Dell
The Pearl, by John Steinbeck
and I'll add one of my own
Horatio Hornblower, by by C. S. Forester
Get a library card, enjoy your summer
The Sandman Comic
Naval guns and munitions of the period
The Paixhans gun, the first naval gun to utilize exploding shells, c. 1822
Junk shot, know as Langrage in naval artillery
Grenades had been used in Europe since the late 15th century
Fucking A, Matt was on it this week. That is some black belt level annotations, sir.
Just a head's up, that map shows Briton (i.e., Celtic) territories in the 6th century, not Anglo- Saxon.
Someone who finds the commentators interesting
Fair enough. There just seemed to be a negative reaction to the podcast, and i wondered 'what did you expect?'
It's like the guy who goes to the doctor and says 'it hurts when i do this.' So the doctor says 'don't do that.'
Invid wrote:Someone who finds the commentators interesting
Fair enough. There just seemed to be a negative reaction to the podcast, and i wondered 'what did you expect?'
Well, I honestly didn't know if DiF liked the film or not before that one post you're referring to, and assume he didn't either. Gregory Harbin is just saying his opinion wasn't changed, not that the commentary itself wasn't interesting or entertaining. It's similar to my reaction to the Avatar commentary: I really like the movie, they mostly ripped it a new one, and after listening to them I still really like the movie. It's probably the first time at least one DiF guy didn't have an opinion similar to mine so it was an interesting experience.
Oh, no, the commentary was great. I just want to see the same movie those guys saw, cause Peter Weir didn't make it.
Really liked this episode guys. More like lerved as Steve Martin would say. Heard references to about 4 movies i haven't seen. I also prefer an action movie with an equal amount of good, intense (to me, anyway) acting as opposed to just wall-to-wall action. Maybe that's what you get from a director and DOP who're both in their late-'50s, instead of younger directors. Or not, who knows. How old's Michael Bay?
And yeah, the show notes are great.
Finally listened to this and enjoyed it. As nobody mentioned it in the show I'll second the recommendation in the show notes that everyone read the Horatio Hornblower books. For you Trek fans, Kirk was originally pitched as "Hornblower in space". However, I'll also suggest you don't read the books in their official order but in publication order starting with Beat to Quarters (which is sometimes combined with the next two as Captain Hornblower). As is often the case, C.S. Forester started the series with his characters already in their element and went forward from there. Once the main character got to be an old man at the rank of Lord he went back and wrote a half dozen prequel books (Harry Harrison did the same thing with his Stainless Steel Rat series). They work OK if you do read them chronologically, but the author did assume readers of Midshipman Hornblower were already familiar with the character.
I'm over an hour in and I still haven't gotten to the lady mouth part. I'm greatly...anticipating it.
If anyone comes after Brian or calls him Ladymouth, you can expect THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RugI_SBO … r_embedded
...to not get hit by someone?
I will scream at them so loudly that they will fall over like a fat piece of shit. And then I will claim its "chi." Either way, Brian's honor is defended.
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