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BigDamnArtist wrote:

Good boy.

Indeed. I don't care how many goddamn voices he did in ORDER OF THE PHOENIX, Jim Dale's readings are terrible.

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Dorkman wrote:
BigDamnArtist wrote:

Good boy.

Indeed. I don't care how many goddamn voices he did in ORDER OF THE PHOENIX, Jim Dale's readings are terrible.

I should say that it was on your recommendation on the original commentary that I got the idea to search them out.

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Raven wrote:

Currently going through all of the audiobooks in preparation for this.  Currently half way through Order of the Phoenix.  Never read the books and I've only watched the movies once or twice each.

Read by Stephen Fry or Jim Dale?

Edit: Already answered I see, Fry. I actually liked the Jim Dale readings better, despite thinking Fry is pretty much the king of everything forever always. I started with the Dale reads, so I guess that jaded me? I've never understood the hatred shot at his reads.

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Jdubs wrote:
Raven wrote:

Currently going through all of the audiobooks in preparation for this.  Currently half way through Order of the Phoenix.  Never read the books and I've only watched the movies once or twice each.

Read by Stephen Fry or Jim Dale?

Stephen Fry (Raven replied on the previous page.)

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I'm flying home for a family holiday get-together that weekend, because it's the holidays and it's a time to be around those you love.  But f@#k them!  Yes, I know Grandma and Grandpa don't have "a lot of time left", but they're going to have to hang on till next year (unless there's some other kind of FIYH marathon next year).  I'm sequestering myself into a spare bedroom with my laptop, headphones, and a bucket (don't ask) and will only emerge to fill up on eggnog and turkey.

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I might have a trip to an art museum for class during this. yikes I certainly hope that can be rectified.

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Guess I gotta get round to finally watching these things

not long to go now...

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I shall attempt to stay up the entire 24-ish hours, studying for finals be damned.

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Withkittens wrote:

I shall attempt to stay up the entire 24-ish hours, studying for finals be damned.

Finals? What finals? Don't my professors know that there are people on the internet who want to spend an entire day talking about Harry Potter?!?

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Doctor Submarine wrote:
Withkittens wrote:

I shall attempt to stay up the entire 24-ish hours, studying for finals be damned.

Finals? What finals? Don't my professors know that there are people on the internet who want to spend an entire day talking about Harry Potter?!?

I can just imagine the looks of incredulity on their faces if I used that as an excuse when applying for a deferred exam.

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While I hate missing out on these events, being a retail manager means "no marathons for you."

I wish I could call in sick wink

God loves you!

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Yay, class trip is rescheduled. So I will be there all 24 hours. big_smile

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I've been having my manservant Lyle read the books to me in preparation for this, and a few things strike me:

  • The first books are really closely adapted.

  • Holy crap Hermione's obsession with house elf rights is weird. That and a bunch of other things (like the whole of Umbridge's character and young James being a prick) feel like her bad marriage is a demon lurking just under the surface.

  • Those couple of people who told me "Hermione's not as much of a know-it-all in the books" are full of shit. Kloves should have given some of that stuff to Ron, because he is fucking useless in the middle books.

  • Rowling cares a lot about character motivation, but not so much that she smoothly works in explanations as she goes. Instead, especially at the end of Order and beginning of Prince, she has one character just interrogate another about why they did or didn't do a whole list of things, and most of the answers are retcons (Snape gives Bellatrix about 5 BS reasons why he hasn't killed Harry after 5 years). You could create a FAQ just from those sections.

  • The movies really should have made the magic more cinematic. The books really do have characters just get shoved around a lot.

  • Leaving the trio's OWL exam results out of the movie was a mistake. It shows that Harry isn't as mediocre as the movies otherwise depict.

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Zarban wrote:
  • Those couple of people who told me "Hermione's not as much of a know-it-all in the books" are full of shit. Kloves should have given some of that stuff to Ron, because he is fucking useless in the middle books.

She's nowhere near as obnoxious in the books, though. I utterly despise the way the films treat Ron after the first one—half of his being useful in Chamber of Secrets is given to Hermione, and over the course of the rest he just degrades into this useless buffoon when in the books he's just as smart as Harry.

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You're one of the people I disagree with, then, because--if you include SPEW--she's no better in the books, in my opinion. Almost every single line she has is "We can't do what you want, Harry" or "We MUST do this now, Harry" or "OMG! Studying!" What small consolation she was to Harry in 1-4 was given to Luna in 5 (not that I'd get rid of Luna).

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Zarban wrote:

The movies really should have made the magic more cinematic. The books really do have characters just get shoved around a lot.

The movies actually managed to make magic less imaginative. No matter what incantation is verbalized, 90 percent of the time the effect is "blast target back about 20 feet."

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Dorkman wrote:
Zarban wrote:

[*]The movies really should have made the magic more cinematic. The books really do have characters just get shoved around a lot.[/*]

The movies actually managed to make magic less imaginative. No matter what incantation is verbalized, 90 percent of the time the effect is "blast target back about 20 feet."

The most annoying one is that Expelliarmus, the disarming spell, Harry's signature spell, the spell that defeats Voldemort, morphs into exactly that by the fourth movie. Why the fuck did you set it up in the second film if you were just going to throw away its effects by two films later?

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Watch CHAMBER again. That's what it does there, too. It blows Lockhart back but his wand stays in his hand.

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Dorkman wrote:

Watch CHAMBER again. That's what it does there, too. It blows Lockhart back but his wand stays in his hand.

Same with Snape in the Shrieking Shack in Prisoner, altho I think he gets hit by 2 or 3 at once.

If I was a wizard going into a duel, the first thing I'd do is cast a few defensive spells on myself, especially something to counter or reflect spells. Casting unforgivable curses becomes a lot trickier if you have to worry about it bouncing back at you. You would want to use more spells that affect the area around the other wizard rather than the wizard himself, etc. MUCH more interesting battle. The stuff between Dumbledore and Voldemort at the Ministry of Magic was great; why not have more of that?

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Zarban wrote:
Dorkman wrote:

Watch CHAMBER again. That's what it does there, too. It blows Lockhart back but his wand stays in his hand.

Same with Snape in the Shrieking Shack in Prisoner, altho I think he gets hit by 2 or 3 at once.

If I was a wizard going into a duel, the first thing I'd do is cast a few defensive spells on myself, especially something to counter or reflect spells. Casting unforgivable curses becomes a lot trickier if you have to worry about it bouncing back at you. You would want to use more spells that affect the area around the other wizard rather than the wizard himself, etc. MUCH more interesting battle. The stuff between Dumbledore and Voldemort at the Ministry of Magic was great; why not have more of that?

Because those two are masters of magic, so they're able to accomplish things that literally no one else can. It also sets up much more intense stakes for the final battle. If Dumbledore could barely repel Voldemort, how can Harry possibly defeat him?

Not that the last film handles that battle very well.

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Dorkman wrote:

Watch CHAMBER again. That's what it does there, too. It blows Lockhart back but his wand stays in his hand.

True, but at least later in the movie they show Harry using it to disarm Lockhart.

Zarban wrote:

Casting unforgivable curses becomes a lot trickier if you have to worry about it bouncing back at you.

Not to be too much of a nerd, but Avada Kedavra, at least, is unblockable, and that's pretty much the only one Voldy cares about using, so any defensive spells would be useless.

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Darth Praxus wrote:

Not to be too much of a nerd, but Avada Kedavra, at least, is unblockable, and that's pretty much the only one Voldy cares about using, so any defensive spells would be useless.

She who writes the story makes the rules.

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Eh, some of the magic duels work. I still think Deathly Hallows Part 1 is a really weak movie (they REALLY should've cut the shitty boring middle of that book and just made a single amazing movie instead of 2 kinda decent ones), but I LOVE the magic battle in the diner that's filmed like a movie shootout. When the series went for it, there were some really cool battles, they just never pushed it far enough in general. Like, imagine what someone like Terry Gilliam could've done with the concept of a MAGIC battle.

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bullet3 wrote:

(they REALLY should've cut the shitty boring middle of that book and just made a single amazing movie instead of 2 kinda decent ones)

Disagree so hard. That's one of my favorite sections in the series and a majorly important stage in Harry's personal journey.

bullet3 wrote:

I LOVE the magic battle in the diner that's filmed like a movie shootout

This is really exactly the problem. In Yates' films, wands might as well be guns. They just fling bursts of explosive light at each other, and if they do it simultaneously the wands connect in the way that only Harry and Voldemort's are supposed to do.

For a while now I've been wanting to shoot a wand duel that did all the cool stuff the movie duels didn't. We might finally do that next year.

I should shut up. I'll be saying all of this again during the marathon.

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I hated that section when I read it in the book, and I hated it in the movie. It's a super-contrived reason to have our heroes start in-fighting when they've been good friends for 7 years, and a blatant ripoff of the Frodo storyline from Lord of the Rings. When your story is supposed to be ramping up into it's climactic chapter, having your characters go hiking in the woods for 300 pages for contrived reasons is not effective storytelling. But I look forward to your argument for it on the show (:

As for the battles, I'm torn, because on the one hand I like the instinct of taking magic, which is usually done in a cheesy overblown fantasy way, and grounding it in a way that feels like a totally real thing that could just exist in our world. When it's done in a familiar mundane location like the diner sequence, I think it's really effective at selling the tangibility and danger of magic.

I agree though that when it comes to the big extended duels, they really don't get as inventive with it as they should. The Dumbledore vs Voldemort duel is the high-point of the series as far as creative magic ideas, and it never rises to that same level again. The big final battle in particular feels like a wasted opportunity throughout a lot of it.

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