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I was biased against it from the start. I hate Rent. The characters that I don't find insufferable are totally wasted. Everybody loves Angel so much, but it baffles me as to why. I mean, Angel kills the cat at the beginning! Literally! Angel murders a dog for money! How am I supposed to like any character who does that, and how am I supposed to feel bad when that character dies?

Ugh. I don't want to be all elitist, like "Oh, those bohemian folks in New York, wasting their lives on ART," because I don't really feel that way. But the characters feel completely flat. Why is Collins in the story? Oh, you know. 'Cause. The only really interesting, sympathetic characters are Roger, Mimi, and Mark, but Mark does absolutely nothing, and Roger and Mimi's plot is totally wasted to make room for Joanne and Maureen, who, once again, do nothing interesting. It's fine to have multiple plotlines, as long as they are somewhat interesting, but Joanne and Maureen aren't.

That said, the music is absolutely fantastic. It's everything that I want in a contemporary musical. I just wish that it had a decent story to go along with it.

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DoctorSubmarine wrote:

That said, the music is absolutely fantastic. It's everything that I want in a contemporary musical. I just wish that it had a decent story to go along with it.

Find out if someone ever translated it to French or something and recorded a soundtrack. You could enjoy the music without having the lyrics distract you smile

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That...is a really great idea. I'm going to Google that right now.

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With regards to adapting stage works for the screen, Sydney Lumet talks about filming "12 Angry Men" in his book, "Making Movies" by using lenses, composition, staging, and so forth to tell the story.

Don't have it in front of me to quote, but well worth the read.

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Everybody loves Angel so much, but it baffles me as to why. I mean, Angel kills the cat at the beginning! Literally! Angel murders a dog for money! How am I supposed to like any character who does that, and how am I supposed to feel bad when that character dies?

To be fair, it's not like Angel takes a corkscrew to the dog's heart. Just played until the aggressive little bastard jumped off a balcony to try to get at him.

It's a revenge fantasy. You've never dealt with an incessantly yapping dog living next door and felt like strangling it? If not, well, lucky you. But it's a common enough occurence to warrant an Onion story.

That said, "Today 4 You" is easily my least favorite song in the show.

DoctorSubmarine wrote:

Why is Collins in the story? Oh, you know. 'Cause.

Collins is the only one who understands and appreciates the value of living and enjoying one day at a time, instead of obsessing over what might have been or what could someday be. He gets into his relationship with Angel knowing it's got a time limit and he doesn't regret their time together when it's over. He's the example the rest of them eventually come to understand, at least somewhat.

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That said, the music is absolutely fantastic. It's everything that I want in a contemporary musical. I just wish that it had a decent story to go along with it.

It's the equivalent of an indie movie about relationships -- like LOVE ACTUALLY with music, except some of the people have AIDS and die. It's not about people trying to save the world or whatever, despite what they may say, it's just about people learning the difference between living and merely surviving.

On another note, it's interesting to me that RENT got a PG-13 rating despite several non-sexual occurrences of "fuck" and its derivatives in the lyrics -- usually you only get one. I guess if you sing it, you get a few free. I wonder if you get even more if it's an animated musical. THE PROFANEST LITTLE TOASTER, coming soon!

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Then again, 12 Angry Men isn't a musical, and it certainly doesn't have elaborate dance numbers and set pieces. Also, Sidney Lumet is a good filmmaker. Chris Columbus, I think we can all agree, is not.

I remember hearing an interview with Peter Morgan about Frost/Nixon, in which he said that he had written the original play with the idea that it would be extremely difficult to adapt to film. He went on to praise Ron Howard for doing just that. Again, that's because Ron Howard knows how to shoot a movie. I was watching the second Potter film the other night, and there are some really terrible shots that I had never noticed before. Sorry Chris Columbus, you just aren't that great.

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I love the music in The Producers, it's probably on my top five of limited-to-songs-only list of musicals.

Late comment, but. I try to represent as lately as possible.

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So wait...Bug doesn't have anything to do with an entomologist turned sociopath?  Damn.  Well, dibs on that idea in case no one's done it yet.

I beat you to it, but I never wrote it. It's the story of an entomologist who discovered that the larvae of a certain Amazonian flying beetle secrete an amazing narcotic that he has become addicted to. But said beetle larvae live only in the rotting corpses of primates. Now, in the Amazon, there are plenty of monkey carcasses for the beetles to live on. But in New York City.....

Warning: I'm probably rewriting this post as you read it.

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DoctorSubmarine wrote:

That...is a really great idea. I'm going to Google that right now.

It came to mind because a) I know some musicals have been translated from French to English, and b) there are definitely some anime I enjoyed much more before they were translated. When you understand none of the dialog, you're free to assume it's all deep and meaningful smile

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It's the story of an entomologist who discovered that the larvae of a certain Amazonian flying beetle secrete an amazing narcotic that he has become addicted to. But said beetle larvae live only in the rotting corpses of primates. Now, in the Amazon, there are plenty of monkey carcasses for the beetles to live on. But in New York City.....

Development note: the larvae should require a live host. If they only need corpses, it's just a serial killer movie. If the host needs to be live, then the horror comes from his victims being forced to survive as long as possible while being consumed.

Say it takes a few months for the little buggers to come to full potency. He'd kidnap his victims, implant them, then let them go to just live their lives until the time is right -- too risky to try to keep them locked in a basement that whole time. You could play with almost an inversion of stalker tropes, where they're being stalked by someone intent on keeping them alive at all costs.

But, of course, he's less concerned with their quality of life, so by the end of the film -- in which we've been following the story of one of his victims; a woman, naturally -- it's turned into MISERY while he waits for the final stage.

Bonus horror points if the beetles eat the brain as they grow. Then the victim goes slowly insane and suffers the psychological horror of losing a hold on herself while undergoing the physical horror of having her brain eaten, trying to kill herself, and being hobbled in some maniac's spare room. In the final sequence she could escape and manage to triumph over the killer just before going completely insane and/or having her head burst open and a bunch of bugs come pouring out.

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Okay, in all seriousness, if one of you doesn't write this, I will. I've got a RED, friends who are actors, makeup artists, and VFX artists, and this would be totally cheap to produce. Someone writes a script, we set this in L.A. and I could totally have this shot by this time next year. Who's in?

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Invid wrote:

When you understand none of the dialog, you're free to assume it's all deep and meaningful smile

I liked DONNIE DARKO way better before I had it explained to me.

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DorkmanScott wrote:

Who's in?

Totally.

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I'm tentatively in based on how much I like the script. smile

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I'm in.  Let's sign some contracts and get some meetings happening.

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I'm in.

... and wow...way to much to back write on sooo I'll make it simple.

Producers...love.
Rent (In all it's incarnations)...love with a passion.

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Okay, now I'm excited and having a bunch of ideas. I'll probably write a treatment over the weekend.

This is not what we meant by "suggest a movie," but it works.

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I think it'd be cool if we involved the whole forum in the production of the project. Then Down in Front would *really* be a screenwriting tool.

We could even make a board for it. It would archive the whole writing process for posterity, and if the project gets made, be a very cool resource for future screenwriters to see how ideas get weeded out and developed.

Teague Chrystie

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I'd be up for that!

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No, no, it's Mike's idea. Too many cooks and all that.

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Down in Front wrote:

I think it'd be cool if we involved the whole forum in the production of the project. Then Down in Front would *really* be a screenwriting tool.

We could even make a board for it. It would archive the whole writing process for posterity, and if the project gets made, be a very cool resource for future screenwriters to see how ideas get weeded out and developed.

And a great resource for the ensuing lawsuits as well... 

If you put a warning in the Terms of Service that all posts in said board become the property of DIF, then maybe.

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There should be a car chase, a fist fight and an adorable animal sidekick. Maybe an orangutan.

I'll settle for an Executive Producer credit.

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Good points, Brian and Trey.

Less good point Beldar, but I'm willing to have your back on the orangutan note.

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I'm in.

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Yeah, as fun as communal development sounds, I've tried it before and it's a big notsomuch. And that was just fanfilmy stuff. Make it a real movie and then you get the suing and whatnot.

Sooo we'll take this one off-list, I think. Carry on everyone.

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I wanna play … but I'm already in development on another feature project. Time for me to learn some of that time-management voodoo I keep hearing about!

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Now look at what you've done Dorkman.

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