Topic: NERD RAGE: 108 page response to Red Letter Media TPM review.

Someone on the internet tubes posted a very long,in-depth,somewhat begrudged response to Mr Plinkett's complaints of The Phantom Menace:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IFA1O2BI

I'm still in the middle of reading it. From what I've read, he does seem to give some astute retorts to some of Plinkett's criticism of the film. However, he seems to neglect Plinkett's main point. Even if you make sense of the plot it is still an unsavory mess in thematic storytelling.

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Megaupload? He can't set up a free blog and post it there?

Warning: I'm probably rewriting this post as you read it.

Zarban's House of Commentaries

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*reads a few pages*

This was either written by Rick McCallum, or is the saddest thing I've ever seen.

Plinkett: "Describe the following Star Wars character WITHOUT saying what they look like, what kind of costume they wore, or what their profession or role was in the movie. Describe this character to your friends like they ain't never seen Star Wars."

This is to examine the characters' personalities, basically who they are. According to Stoklasa, if you can describe a character at length without mentioning the above things, he/she is a strong character.

RLM questions five different people, who alternate between original trilogy and prequel characters. They start with Han Solo. Mostly they repeat the same things: rogue, arrogant, charming. One guy points out Han's mean streak (shooting Greedo), but that he has a heart of gold underneath. All accurate observations. I'll let it slide that the girl calls Han "sexy" (her opinion, and also his looks), and that they call him a "womanizer" (something that doesn't show up until TESB).

Then they try the game on Qui-Gon, and the way they go about it isn't pretty. While this review had already resorted to a number of tricks to make its case, this is the point when the bias becomes truly blatant and outrageous.

One guy says Qui-Gon is "stoic," and then acts as if he's struggling to think of anything else. The girl pretends that she doesn't remember who Qui-Gon is, despite how much of TPM is spent following him. Yeah, right. More of Stoklasa's amateur actors (oops, I mean friends and regular people) put on a show to supposedly support his claim that Qui-Gon is a nothing, a blank slate of a character who can't be described in any way. It's one thing to think that the original trilogy characters were superior to the prequel characters (not an outrageous opinion at all), but to act as if you can't come up with a single descriptive word is just over the top. Not a single adjective...except for one guy who displays an ignorance of vocabulary by laughably labeling Qui-Gon as "stern." Qui-Gon Jinn, a stern man...

No, Qui-Gon Jinn is most certainly not "stern." In fact he's the complete opposite, and can basically be summed up as an idealized father figure. Strong, brave, in control, but also kind and soft spoken. The type of man many people probably wished their dad would be like when they were kids. Qui-Gon is calm and patient when dealing with others, and he believes in the people he takes under his wing. He quickly saw Anakin's potential and believed that the boy would go on to do great things. His faith in Anakin was so strong that he trusted the boy to win the podrace and save the mission.

EDIT: I guess it's unfair to call this sad, even though it is - so is RLM's review, if anything. What's strange about this is the paranoia I pick up off of his writing. It's even evident a bit in the above quote, saying that the girl "pretends not to know who Qui Gon is," so on and so forth. She's lying, rather than honestly can't remember the name of a character from a movie that didn't connect with her. That kind of thing permeates the whole essay.

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Down in Front wrote:

This was either written by Rick McCallum, or is the saddest thing I've ever seen.

Or... written by a guy with Glenn Beck's paranoia and the sensibilities of Keith Olbermann.

I'm almost expecting him to say this at some point:

"How dare you sir. You, so called "Mr Plinkett" if that IS your name." ::turns quickly to camera 2, removes glasses::
Have you no class SIR? Your attacks on the logic of the blockade of Naboo and its later invasion are representative of the fallacies of your own eyes...SIR "

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... The girl pretends that she doesn't remember who Qui-Gon is ...

Wow, he didn't get it at all. That video is satire, not an unbiased documentary.

Down in Front wrote:

This was either written by Rick McCallum, or is the saddest thing I've ever seen.

Or Rick Berman. What is it with Ricks!?!

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I take back my "astute retorts" comment. This man is completely deranged.

Plinkett: "Yeah, you're such a peaceful people that you keep guns in the armrests
of your throne.  Yeah, peaceful and paranoid?"

So a leader having some personal security measures means your society can't be
peaceful...I get that Stoklasa is trying to be sarcastic and funny, but he's still not making
any clever observations here.

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I'm sure Obama's got a glock taped under his desk in the Oval Office, you know, just in case.

You know your argument is in trouble when you open your response with a line of dialogue as bad as "He was deceived by a lie." By a lie? Really?

When talking about the character stuff, it appears that he's making arguments in favor of the review rather than against. When he's talking about Qui-gon the guy takes 5 paragraphs to say that he's a father figure and compassionate and patient. His arguments in favor of this opinion are about 20 seconds worth of screen time where qui-gon says a few things to various characters. The point of the exercise is to briefly give people an idea of the character's personality. You kinda know what Han Solo's gonna do in a given situation given his attitude and personality. I have no idea what Qui-Gon will ever do, aside from talk a lot. His most defined character trait is that he likes to hear himself talk.

I'm probably going to read this whole thing. It's interesting to know what the mindset of someone who likes TPM is. I wonder if this guy actually believes all of this stuff, or if he just likes the movie and thus needed to legitimize that by attacking a popular negative review of it.

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Re: NERD RAGE: 108 page response to Red Letter Media TPM review.

In the introduction, it states: "I suspect that the one-sided praise stems from the sheer length of the RLM review. [...] Because the RLM review is seventy minutes long, I doubt that most people, including those who praise it to the skies, have actually paid attention while watching the whole thing through."

I wonder if the author then sees the irony of writing a novella-length rebuttal, as if all we unattentive skimmers of the RLM review will somehow persevere to the end of...oh, look! A giraffe!

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RLM responds. Sorta.

I haven't read it yet, but what's always interesting to me in the people who respond to the "describe these characters" challenge is how they will tend to list off what they expect the characters to be, archetypically, or what Lucas has other characters say about them, or what is written about them in external sources such as character descriptions in fanzines or EU novels, rather than traits they actually display in the film(s).

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I'm about 50 pages in, and from what I've read thus far, the majority of this kid's arguments are retconns he's made up to explain away a lot of the idiocy in the movie. He takes things that the movie implicitly states like "Planet Core" and argues that they COULDN'T have been talking about the actual center of the planet - cause that would be stupid - or that OBVIOUSLY "Force her to sign it" really means "give her tea and cake and politely ask her to publicly sign it with a smile on her face"...  or that the signing the treaty wouldn't matter because it would be defeated in the senate or some stupid shit.

Basically, the guy isn't reading between the lines of the review, so he's tackling specific things that Plinkett says instead of inferring that, for instance, there was no real reason to have R2D2 in the film at all, that making the movie about taxes and politics with no clear conflict or antagonist was a bad idea from the start, etc.

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So it's essentially circular reasoning, begging the question, and related fallacies. The movie isn't stupid, and anything that appears stupid is therefore not stupid, because if it were stupid the movie would be stupid, and the movie isn't stupid. Using the conclusion he's trying to argue as a premise in the argument itself.

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Heh... Commenting on the bit about the duel between Vader and Obi-Wan at the end of A New Hope, where Plinkett says: It's less about this [vader and obiwan fighting] and more about this [Obiwan sacrificing himself]. I quote:

"... While I'm not one to bash the lightsaber fight in ANH, I would say that if you're trying to defend it then pointing out the sacrifice that comes isn't a very strong argument. Arguing like that suggests that the fight's merit comes not from the fight itself, but from something that only happened after the actual fighting."

Gee... you think?

And shortly thereafter he makes the argument that Lucas has made a bajillion dollars and therefore is a great filmmaker.

Where did this thing originate from, anyway? The guy didn't sign his little essay here and I obviously missed it when it originally hit the internet however many days or weeks ago.

However, if ever you wanted to parody this thing, all you'd have to do is write up a 110 page essay about how Baby's Day Out is really the greatest film ever made.

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Squiggly_P wrote:

Where did this thing originate from, anyway? The guy didn't sign his little essay here and I obviously missed it when it originally hit the internet however many days or weeks ago.

Here's the original forum post :

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. … p;t=146990

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Oh jesus.  This is why I never learned to read.


- Branco

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