Just saw it in 2D. I absolutely LOVED it. I really didn't know what to feel about it Thursday night, but seeing it in 2D made a massive difference. It's amazing what dropping a dimension does for the movie. I've never been a fan of 3D, but I wanted to give The Hobbit a chance. I'm now officially in Christopher Nolan's camp. 3D sucks. It's more immersive, yet somehow pulls you out of the story. Maybe some day they'll come up with a better way to do it, but for now, I'll stick to 2D when I can.

Of course the movie wasn't perfect, but now I'm really excited to see the next two.

avatar wrote:

Firstly, Boromir kicks it in the first movie. Gandalf only makes it half way.

Secondly, the Dwarves in The Hobbit are entirely CG for many of the action set pieces. So they're being thrown around in a cartoonish way by Trolls, Orcs and Goblins a lot more. That wasn't the case for Fellowship were it was 99% live action shooting so the characters weren't doing as many unrealistic things from a physics point of view.

I know two people died in FOTR. Of course, it was in the book. And I agree with you about the cartoonish survival of the dwarves in The Hobbit. I was just pointing it out. I mean, Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas got through TTT and ROTK, including an orc ambush, Helms Deep, Pelennor, and Mordor. And they did a lot of ridiculous things too. Aragorn fell off a giant cliff. Gimli jumped into a giant horde of orcs twice, Aragorn once, all in the same battle. Legolas climbed a giant moving elephant and surfed down its trunk, and also surfed down a flight of stairs on the back of a shield, shooting arrows the whole way down.

In a sense I'm playing devil's advocate here, because I do agree with you about the absurd amount of crazy stunts all 15 of them got through. I mean they couldn't kill any of them off because the book didn't, but they didn't have to give them so many acrobatic near death experiences. The Hobbit took unrealistic survival to a whole new level, and it did bother me slightly. I was just saying LOTR was also guilty of that. Though the live action shooting did help it.

avatar wrote:

Gandalf keeps disappearing and re-appearing to save the day. What's he doing? Scoring more pipeweed?

Yeah, kinda hard to avoid that because a lot of it was in the book. He was always off dealing with the whole necromancer issue, then showing up randomly.

avatar wrote:

The 'Thorin disapproving of Bilbo' plot element was clumsily executed. As was the editing with Bilbo's decision to rejoin the dwarves after sparing Gollum's life.

The dwarves riding the wooden platform down the crevice was getting dangerously into Pixar/Disney territory. Whatever. Definitely a tone-shift compared with LOTR.

Agreed.

I don't really want to try to assess the film as a whole until I see it in 2D 24p, because the 3D HFR was a bit of a distraction... I think it was mostly the 3D, because that has been the case with every movie I've seen in 3D. After seeing Hugo I didn't really have a good grasp on the film itself because I was sort of lost in the 3D a lot of the time. I can say a few little things about The Hobbit though, mostly from a visual/technical standpoint.

As for the HFR... eh... I don't think they got it quite right. And I don't think it was mostly to do with the frame rate, but more the shutter speed. To me it actually looked a little more jarring than 24p at times because of the lack of motion blur. And some subtle movements actually looked like they were happening in fast motion because of it. I kinda started to get used to it as the film went on though. I think if this is the way of the future, the shutter speed needs to be slower. I think 48p at 1/48 would be better.

I will say that I agree with avatar for the most part. Yes, the dwarves were pretty ridiculously invincible, however so were Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas, weren't they?

It did slightly annoy me when the "Misty Mountains" theme would come in every single time a dwarf lifted a weapon. Just felt a little too formulaic, and not necessarily fitting in every case. But when the "Breaking of the Fellowship" theme came in when Gandalf was talking to Galadriel, I got all warm and fuzzy inside. It was fantastic.

The CG was great for the most part, but Azog and the Goblin King didn't look real enough. I didn't have too much of a problem with the Goblin King, because his character was a bit cartoonish himself, and the CG was better than they could have done practically. But Azog didn't have to be entirely CG. I know most of the orcs/goblins were entirely real costumes, with the exception of CG faces. And that looked fine. Azog just didn't look real at all. It made me think back to ROTK and how great Gothmog looked.

I must say, the flashback slow-mo battle scene between the dwarves and the orcs looked AMAZING.

I'm seeing it in 2D 24p on Saturday. Then I'll get a better hold on things.

Sitting in the theater now, starts in 20 minutes. We'll see how it goes!

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vidina wrote:

Yes, well, my old PC could run 60p just fine.

...Granted, it was 720p, but still. 60 frames per seconds no issues. I fail to see exactly why the digital cinema systems shouldn't be able to handle it.

Of course the hardware has the ability, I think he was just saying there could have been errors made by the IT guys in the setup, bugs in the firmware, etc. You never know. It doesn't seem to be outside the realm of possibility.

I don't know, maybe there's something I don't understand. We see the world at around 55 fps. I don't see how viewing at a frame rate closer to that would have a negative effect on your eyes (as long as the projection isn't screwed up). It would seem to me like slower frame rates would be more of an eye strain.

Of course I'll reserve judgment on the aesthetic of the frame rate until I see it, but I just don't get the headache complaints, unless bullet3's comments about projection issues are valid, which would have nothing to do with the frame rate itself. I've never had any issue with eye strain from a 60Hz TV.

bullet3 wrote:

By all accounts it's making them worse

Yeah I don't understand that. People watch TV in higher frame rates/refresh rates and they don't get headaches. It just doesn't make sense. I think there's a bit of a placebo effect going on there, or it's just the 3D and people are convinced that it's frame rate because of all the hooplah.

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Hahaha, I can't believe they deleted the Nedry joke, that was the best one!

Squiggly_P wrote:

I like Avatar, but it's not an amazing movie or anything. Above average at best. It's pretty in 3D, tho.

Yeah I saw Avatar in 3D Digital Imax and thought it looked amazing. Say what you will about the movie itself (meh), but the experience in that theater was absolutely stunning. I'll be seeing The Hobbit in the same exact room.

Oh, and I'm also excited for the 9 minutes of Star Trek. Bonus!

I'm going to the premiere, seeing it in 3D HFR Digital Imax, the way it was meant to be seen (for better or for worse), but not the way it was meant to be heard! There's no theater within 4 hours of my house that's showing the film with all the bells and whistles, including Dolby Atmos sound. Shame, I wish I could have gotten the chance to hear it that way. Oh well, Atmos will probably be way more widespread next year, and especially the year after that.

I'm sure I'll see it in 2D 24p at some point as well.

Brian wrote:
Jim wrote:

I'm dying to see this.

Too soon.

Is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … ZA9c#t=25s

Okay phew, glad I'm not crazy smile

Thanks iJim, you explained it better than I could.

I also liked it a lot. Daniel Day-Lewis is amazing. There were some really cheesy moments (e.g. the opening scene), and I agree on the ending feeling forced, but overall I thought it was very good.

One thing I didn't care too much for (and I might be alone in this) was the look of it. I didn't hate it, but I did feel something was a little off. It seemed like most (not all) shots looked very clean and beautiful, with perfect lighting, contrast, and saturation. This is great for a lot of films, but for this type of historical film it took a little bit of the realism away. Sometimes it felt more like I was watching an act than real-life moments.

You can compare this to Glory (another historical film), where everything looked more gritty, with cloudy skies and semi-muted colors. It looked more like it would really look if you were there. It just made it more real to me. I don't know, does anyone else feel this way? Maybe I'm just full of crap.

Also seeing so many familiar faces was a little distracting at times.

Haha maybe I should stop nitpicking, I really did enjoy it.

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I used to play it, a LOT. Got blue version in 3rd grade for my GameBoy Pocket and I was hooked all through middle school, and on and off in high school. It's since faded away though. It got to the point where I would only play LeafGreen at night to put myself to sleep, then eventually I just stopped altogether. And now my brain is full of tons of useless Pokemon knowledge. It was always a fun game though.

I'm not that into video games in general anymore.

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Yeah I put an SSD in my MacBook Pro. Major speed difference.

I got this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820227820

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I mentioned this movie because of it's dreamlike quality that could be ruined by the "video look" (caused by a high frame rate).

Did the dreamlike quality in 2001 really come from the frame rate? I don't recall much fast movement in that film anyway. I'm not sure 48p would have made much of a difference.

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Hahaha

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Marty J wrote:

Would you like to see "2001: A Space Odyssey", "The Shawshank Redemption" and "Blade Runner" without proper motion blur?

Motion blur isn't so much a frame rate thing, that's a shutter speed thing.

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I've used FCPX for nothing you'd call "professional". Just some videos for my church to show on Sundays and uploaded to vimeo. I'm not a professional, in fact I'm a computer science major, not planning on going into the video field. I'm more of a hobbyist.

Sorry if I came off as rude, I didn't mean to. I don't think I put any words in your mouth. I just commented on what you said about lower thirds or any other graphics being a joke in FCPX. As far as layered psd files go, I haven't had this problem. Maybe I'll play around with them a little bit more to see if I notice something.

And your computer should definitely be more powerful than mine. I've got a 15" 2010 MacBook Pro with top of the line processor, 8GB of RAM, and surely an inferior graphics card. I use an internal SSD but my footage plays fine even from a firewire HDD. We probably we use different codecs though. I use 24mbps AVCHD from a Sony FS700 and an NEX-5N, and I don't need to transcode. I assume you use a more robust codec?

About the limited output types, again, Compressor was written as a companion of FCPX to do any advanced encoding you need. Yes, it would definitely be nice to have more output options in FCPX itself, but I would consider that to be a "would have been nice" feature, and not a necessary one. But I'm assume you were looking at it that same way too. I just don't see it as a deal breaker. The pros outweigh the cons for me.

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Seems like most of those drawbacks have to do with having an underpowered machine. I don't need to transcode any of my footage, including multi-cam projects, so no waiting for that.

What NLE actually does good motion graphics? That's almost always a job for a dedicated graphics program.

And X does output a relatively small number of file types, that's why Compressor is a thing, just as it was for 7.

For number 8, isn't that a lot better than having no background rendering at all (FCP7)?

And though I have no experience with this, the presenter in the video I linked to earlier states that FCPX does recognize footage from servers. Maybe it just takes some googling, I wouldn't know.

Keep in mind I'm not trying to say FCPX is perfect, or always the right tool for the job, but I do think it gets a lot more criticism than it deserves. I think the Adobe ecosystem is great. If Premiere had the elegance and workflow of FCPX then I wouldn't hesitate to use that instead because of the easy round tripping you can do with their other programs. But I just can't go back to the clunkiness of it. That's just me.

I do think color correction in X is very limited, as it was in 7, except now there's no Color. Resolve Lite is a no-go for me until I get a monitor with a high enough resolution, so until then, I'm stuck with Magic Bullet. But pros can use Resolve just fine via XML.

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vidina wrote:

Upon reading up on the matter, it seems FCPX before the updates was a fancy-schmancy version of Final Cut Express.

Haha that actually sounds about right, except for a few things like being able to edit a wider range of codecs. X beat 7 in that regard as well, but FCE didn't even have ProRes. That was one of the big differences between Express and 7.

And the fancy-schmancy part shouldn't be taken too lightly. The interface and speed was MUCH improved upon. Of course nothing to do with features, but still very important.

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vidina wrote:

As for the new iMac, I will be ordering one as soon as they are available, so I'll gladly do some review/test for you guys, if you're still on the fence.

Good for you, that's always exciting!

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Well, these guys use FCPX:

http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/in-action/

And here's a pretty good video in the defense of FCPX, which was made before any new features had been added:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwF9J1_aYzI

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I don't see what all the beef with FCPX is still all about. It EASILY beats 7. It's a great program, and plenty of professional production companies use it. It's a professional program, and I'm not sure why people bash it so hard. Probably because it's Apple, and all the talk about them not caring about professionals; which I do think is valid to a degree, but I still think FCPX is great. So much better to work with than Premiere, in my opinion.

And you don't have to buy Apple's overpriced Superdrive. I got a Blu-Ray burner on Newegg for $45. DVD writers run around $20. And that cost shouldn't be much of a factor when considering which really expensive computer to buy.