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Invid wrote:

It does come back to what exactly the myth was they were testing

Yes. This was my problem with the test. The parameters of the myth was, is it humanly possible to catch an arrow. Not "under battle conditions" or anything like that. Just was it possible, full stop, to have the reflexes necessary to catch an arrow out of the air.

The original test was a robot hand that they set up with average grip strength and reaction time. This "battle conditions" shit came straight out of left field and had nothing to do with the original parameters of the myth. So the myth was plausible, if not confirmed, and then they created this straw man version out of thin air, pretended they'd been testing that, and called it busted.

I didn't want to say this on the recording, but I happened to run into Adam Savage backstage at last year's Comic Con, told him I was a giant fan, and proceeded to lay into him about the ninja catching an arrow myth, totally ruining my chances of ever having a personal hero of mine think that I was cool. That's how insane that episode makes me.

Tory was also there, and he thought it was funny.

If I run into Adam at TAM (which I am going to this year, what what) I will pretend that it never happened and see if he ever makes the connection. He meets so many people I've probably got a second chance at a first impression.

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You're going to TAM? Cool. I can't justify it, so just enjoy the various podcasts who go there (Skeptics Guide to the Universe is doing another live show). My only conventions nowadays are an occasional Sci Fi Worldcon.

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DorkmanScott wrote:

The parameters of the myth was, is it humanly possible to catch an arrow. Not "under battle conditions" or anything like that. Just was it possible, full stop, to have the reflexes necessary to catch an arrow out of the air.

Well, I haven't watched that episode in a long time, but I don't really recall it being that narrowly defined. The Mythbusters guys tend to take a pretty holistic approach to their premises. As I recall, it was more along the lines of, "Could a ninja really have done that shit?" Not, like, in his back yard with a lot of preparation and practice, but in a setting where it would actually mean something.

Basically, we now have scientific proof that ninjas are pussies.

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Jeffery Harrell wrote:

"Could a ninja really have done that shit?" Not, like, in his back yard with a lot of preparation and practice

Right, because if there's one thing we know about ninja, it's that they don't practice.

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We're talking about the difference between being able to hit a baseball with a bat when you know the pitcher in front of you is going to throw to you, and being able to do it when a ball is thrown randomly from any direction. I'd say possible often enough to be impressive, but even the best hitter would miss enough for it to really come down to luck.

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On another note, Michelle Yeoh ain't Malaysian! She might be born there but she's of Chinese ethnicity.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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"That's more Samurai..."

"...shut up."

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redxavier wrote:

On another note, Michelle Yeoh ain't Malaysian! She might be born there but she's of Chinese ethnicity.

More important than that, Ang Lee ain't Chinese, he's Taiwanese.

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I failed to keep score as well as I should have, but I think it broke down like this:

Teague: right.

Everybody else: wrong.

"Synecdoche, New York" is, at the very least, a good movie. It might be a great movie. I'm not sure. I saw it months ago and I'm still processing it.

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What the fuck.

I think Harrell's accounts have been hacked. He's talking straight-up insanity lately.

SYNECDOCHE is a pile of self-indulgent shit with no redeeming qualities. I became physically angry after watching that series of images and sounds.

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Yep, that'll be a fun episode...

/got no dog in this fight, haven't seen it myself

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Synechdoche reminded me too much of my own life. When I saw it, I had just cast myself as the director of a play within the play I had adapted from a Twilight Zone episode. I happen to think it's a brilliant film. While Kaufman may not be a great director yet, it was the first time he's been free to interpret his own script, and it ranks along with the best of his work.

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Since we (I) make a brief reference to Power Rangers in this episode, I thought it would be interesting to note that That Guy With The Glasses has a video series (still in-progress) about the History of Power Rangers.

For those too young/old to have been part of the Power Rangers craze, you might find it interesting to see what us oldtimers/whippersnappers thought was so danged cool about it. He does a good job of hitting the major events (including many I'd forgotten) and summarizing the mythology and the overarching ideas. I personally stopped watching the show as of Turbo, though it seems I missed out on some good stuff with "in Space."

The other reason I bring it up, though, is that looking at the clips he uses, it seems that as the shows moved away from reusing Japanese sentai footage and started producing the action content locally, it transitioned from karate to kung fu. And it started with Turbo. Apparently I outgrew it at just the wrong moment.

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DorkmanScott wrote:

That Guy With The Glasses has a video series (still in-progress) about the History of Power Rangers.


Wow. Just wow. Now I'm sick to my stomach and kind of dizzy. I mean more than normal.

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DorkmanScott wrote:

The other reason I bring it up, though, is that looking at the clips he uses, it seems that as the shows moved away from reusing Japanese sentai footage and started producing the action content locally, it transitioned from karate to kung fu. And it started with Turbo. Apparently I outgrew it at just the wrong moment.

Actually, not quite true. Power Rangers always used action from Sentai shows. Turbo, specifically, used clips from Gekisou Sentai Kaareinja (get it? Car Rangers?). The Kung Fu you see (when they're wearing the suits) was done by the Japanese stunt people. What was shot in America was anything that showed the kids specifically. They did a better job hiding the difference between 'borrowed' and new footage as the shows progressed.

The shows continued to use Sentai footage, up through the latest show, RPM, which aired in 2009, and was based on the Sentai series Engine Sentai Go-onger.

The current Sentai series airing in Japan is Tensou Sentai Goseiger, which is based on a card game they sell here. Yup, it's Power Rangers Yu-Gi-Oh. It'll be interesting to see if that one makes the transition to America.

Interestingly enough, while all the TV shows are based on and use footage from Japanese shows, the movies were both entirely original, even Turbo, which was a bridge between the Neo and Turbo series. There's some interesting stuff online about the production of the first film in Fox Studios Australia, where the Matrix films were shot. I'll edit this post if I can find it again.

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Bonus round: Listen to the commentary again and replace "Kung Fu" with "porn" and "fight" with "sex".


0:43:30

Dorkman: This is good, like if you watch this from a choreography perspective, this is how you keep a lot of people involved in a scene. Especially once this guy gets involved, there's a lot of personality to the fighting. It's not just moves, but they're kicking him like trying to get him out of the way and fighting each other simultaneously once he gets in there.

Eddie: For my money that's what Kung Fu movies and the genre does really well is really the character comes out in the fight. That's when the characters really come alive is in the fight scenes. And you learn so much just by her expressions and you know so much about her just by how she fights.

Dorkman: Yeah, just watch this, this exchange right here, the three of them moving together is amazing.

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So I didn't listen to this one until just now, because I hadn't seen the movie and figured I should see it before listening to the commentary.

After almost two months I 'realized' that I was never gonna find the motivation to actually sit down and watch it on my own, so I just listened to  the commentary as I watched the movie for the first time.

The commentary was hilarious and possibly interesting, but I'm pretty much in agreement with Teague. Never really got the appeal of these kinds of movies and this one didn't dramatically change my mind. It's probably too late for me.

Glad I listened to the commentary though...

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The gliding power as seen in Wu Xia films is known as ching gung. As mentioned in the commentary it essentially consists of using qi to lighten the body. As such a person can leap extraordinary distances, run across water, walk along a spider's web, or step upon tea cups without them breaking. The power is popular in Chinese adventure novels, particularly those involving Robin Hood like roguish characters.

Some believe ching gung to be an actual power lost to posterity. Many such mystical powers are claimed lost as masters were known to keep their best powers secret. In this sense the martial arts decline over the generations. Still others claim to have gained this power if just temporarily. B.K. Frantzis speaks of the Dragon Out of the Cave scenario, when martial artists experience a major breakthrough wherein the Dao speaks through them, in which he was able to achieve lightness power for a brief period.

My teacher of Eastern Philosophy at university claimed to have experienced seeing a Buddhist monk levitate.

Of course it could all be bullshit. Experience is the best proof. Most of us have not had the experience. Still, it makes for fascinating fight sequences.

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Welcome to the forum, good sir. And that's a hell of a first post.

Enjoy our free cookies and alcohol.

Teague Chrystie

I have a tendency to fix your typos.

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We have cookies and booze?

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What? Where?!

Why was I not informed?!

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They're in the dick room. Seriously guys, it's crazy in there.

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Dick shaped cookies? Beer bottles already have a somewhat phallic shape. Plus if you shake 'em first they'll spray all over you - erm -if you're into that sort of thing.

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I loved this movie when I first saw it in the theater, altho I wished the wire work didn't feel so flimsy. It's absolutely solid story telling, and the fighting was cool.

I got right away that it was a legendary setting with different traditions and rules. There's a lot that goes on in Western action films that doesn't faze Western audiences because they're used to it. I'm talking about the way guns are used without regard to reloading, the way guards can't hit the broad side of a barn, the magical level of driving that's often done, and so on.

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