They've been telling that story on the backlot tour for like the last five years.
Oh....well I'm sad now.
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They've been telling that story on the backlot tour for like the last five years.
Oh....well I'm sad now.
Salinger was...ok, but it definitely hinged on a mystery that simply wasn't that mysterious. Senna was fantastic and a great example of what you can do with just archival and interview. We'll probably cover it on an episode of documentality once my documentary stops eating my soul.
Quick aside, I've been working on the Universal lot for the last 6 weeks and have picked up all sorts of interesting stories. The War of the Worlds crashed 747 is still on the lot to this day, and it's 100% practical. Spielberg bought a 747, flew it into Burbank Airport, had it cut into three, and then transported by truck to the lot. Only problem...they forgot to remove the tail number. SO for a week after while they were set dressing it, other planes flying into Burbank would look down and see a downed 747 in pieces, and call it into to the FAA and FBI. Production got shutdown twice while LAPD and LAFD were called to the studios.
Brands and characters and franchises are easily mined for value with minimal marketing reinforcement. In a lot of cases they already have traction in the minds of at least one generation.
Keep something around long enough to have that generation introduce it to their children, you've successfully woven your franchises into the fabric of the culture and duped the entire world in to thinking Star Wars and fifty year old superheroes are interesting or relevant ad infinitum.
...I'm not bitter.
I'm growing increasingly aware of this. It's why I don't turn stuff on for Grayson apropos of nothing. His favorite show right now is Team UmiZoomi which is an introduction to toddler level STEM and I'm ecstatic he responds to it, even though I have no interface value with it.
I watch fights pretty regularly, and more often than not, Grayson will come sit down next to me and just watch with me. I'm going to approach my cultural interests the same way. Star Wars, Bruce Lee, all the things I love will certainly be on the shelf and come down from time to time, but nothing is more sacred than the stuff he'll find on his own. Same thing with baby number 2.
Oh yeah, there's a baby number two on the way.
Have me Meghan Eddie so Upstream Color and fuck y'all.
srry drunks
In. In. Such In.
That sounds more reasonable.
Marty and Rust nail Sheriff Childress based on info they get out of the deputy-now-sheriff they kidnapped. Childress cops to molesting underage girls in occult rituals with Reverend Tuttle that were started by the patriarch Sam Tuttle, who called himself the Yellow King. But they, like old Sam, let the girls go (with threats and promises). They deny that the reverend's brother, Governor-now-Senator Tuttle, was ever involved. But Maggie's father WAS. And Marty's daughter was one girl this circle ritually molested and released.
Marty and Rust confront Maggie's father, who confesses that he was long a part of the circle and then kills himself in front of them before they can do worse to him. But from him, Marty and Rust learn more about Errol, who once participated in the circle's rituals but hasn't in a long time because his behavior became disturbing, even to them. Errol treats his dead grandfather with great reverence and has, unbeknownst to the upscale circle, dug up his corpse and put it on display in the ruins of an abandoned fort called by them Carcosa. There, he and an even darker circle rape and murder girls and boys and prostitutes in their own rituals of purity and impurity, with Errol as the Yellow King. To these rituals, Errol has sometimes invited people like Ledoux and DeWall. But when they try to go after Errol, Marty and Rust are stopped by the agents of, as it turns out, Senator Tuttle.
Marty and Rust, now completely off the reservation, go after Senator Tuttle, and find that he did indeed once participate in the old Tuttle rituals but later came under the influence of Errol. They follow the senator to the remote location of Carcosa, where they find plenty of evidence. But that evidence is burned up when they confront, fight, and kill all the members of the circle amid the raging fire and get wounded (but not so badly). They decide to bury the bodies in the swampy cemetery next to the fort and let the senator's disappearance remain a mystery.
But before they do, they get a final confession from the senator and Errol, who explain that their ritual is the ancient one and Childress' is a corruption of Sam Tuttle's invention. Theirs was handed down for three centuries, when slaves and Indians were sacrificed to elder gods. ("Not the devil. No, much older; much worse.") And there are plenty of old bones and chilling Daguerreotypes around to corroborate their story. Errol and Senator Tuttle claim they "took the rituals back to the old ways, the pure ways." And Errol claims that when they kill him, another Yellow King will arise in his place.
This seems AWFULLY busy for a 58 minute finale.
Truly don't remember if I ever posted this. But TV on the Radio and Nine Inch Nails are easily in my top ten favorite bands of all time, and here they are, along with Peter Murphy doing a cover of TVOTR's Dreams.
Another Brit, we're spreading!
There's too many of them! THERE'S TOO MANY OF TH-
For a show whose apologists have decided was "never interested" in being a procedural/mystery, it sure spent a goddamn lot of time focusing on the procedure and mystery.
I kind of want to go back and add up minute by minute the amount of time spent True Dective-ing and the amount of time Rust and Cohle were just being Rust and Cohle against the backdrop of True Detective-ary, because (and I swear to god this isn't 11th hour retconning) as I watched it it seemed much more focussed on other things than the procedural. Even in scenes like where Cohle is hitting up hookers for qualuudes and getting answers the story just seemed more about him than his quest for truth. Like most things in life do, it reminded me of The Karate Kid. There's kicks and punches and Karate Gi's and Kiai's aplenty, but at the end of the day, it's not a movie ABOUT Karate. Karate is the world in which it takes place (and holy shit, typing that sentence felt SO GOOD, you guys) but it's a movie about a fatherless son and a sonless father finding each other. True Detective season 1 is, was, and always shall be about the power of Narrative on the human cosnsciousness in navigating the horror of a fucked up world when it's in your throat, up your nose, and crawling in your skin. The fact that all supporting characters were drawn so paper thin should have been the clue that this wasn't a procedural, where rich background characters are usually its stock in trade.
I don't disagree with Mike's issue of The Yellow King. It was too big for a McGuffin, and ultimately too small to matter, so it's place in the story is a bit of an odd fit. If they do connect it to season 2 somehow, bully for them. If not, meh. No big deal to me and it didn't really hinder my enjoyment of it.
That reminded me of a game showing in Kentia Hall during E3.
1) Tone
2) Philosophy
3) Performances of Matthew and Woody.
4) Editorial (admittedly biased)
5) Dialogue
6) Set design
7) Michelle Monaghen (She does a lot with a little)
8) Narrative Structure (i.e. flashback device)
9) Errol's performance. You can voice cast an entire pixar movie with just him.
10)Watching the internet shit it's pants because the finale didn't butter it's toast and tuck it in at night.
Oh. Oh my. That animation is ROUGH.
OK, I'll restate to clarify. The time jumps certainly were not bad, and were great narrative devices. With that said, the time framing device wouldn't be in my top 5 favorite things about it.
The time jumps did nothing for me, one way or another. Didn't NOT like them but they seemed the least important aspect of the show to me.
Absolutely. I mean, I get it. I was hoping that it wouldn't be that kind of change is all. I was hoping the show wouldn't go in a certain direction with Rust, and boy did it ever.
SPOILERThe Rust we knew in episodes 1 thru 7 would have said that his near-death experience was likely stressed neurons firing wildly from loss of blood/coma/pain meds. I wanted that Rust to visit the wheelchair-bound Rust in the hospital for a chat. I thought maybe he'd die at the end having saved the day, saved some innocent kids or something, an existentialist hero striking a small blow against the absurdity of the universe. He dies a hero's death with his ethos more or less in tact. Or something. Whatever it would have been. What we got was him going from being a combination of Sartre and Dirty Harry to being a guy who, at the end, seems like he'd almost be willing to blurb "Heaven is For Real." I just... I was really hoping that wouldn't be his arc.
I don't think it's nearly as dramatic a turn as you're making it sound.
I just find this argument (not just as articulated by you, but by other people who took issue with the finale) really reductive.
I dunno...The procedural stuff in episodes 1-5 always were ways to draw definition AROUND these two characters, just like the paper thin other characters were there to add texture and dimension to the world they inhabited. The procedure was always there to service the characters, not the other way around. So it seemed to me at least.
The brain starts doing some really batty things near death. My grandfather (a lifelong atheist) flatlined on a table in 1981. He had the classic near death experience of floating above his body. He had no explanation for it, it didn't cause him to reassess his faith per se, but it definitely changed him. Also, the moments before both Steve Jobs and Lou Reed died, their loved ones witnessed those men experience something indescribable. I'm not preaching anything spiritual, but clearly wacky shit goes when you're about to croak.
Why did we[internet] get all "dig for the hidden answers" about this show in the first place, anyway?
Dude, I have NO clue. It was astounding to me as the show went on that people were drawing all these conclusions. It reminded me of when Zodiac came out and people were pissed that there was no conclusive ending to it, when the whole point of that film was about what going down a rabbit hole does to those characters.
Eddie wrote:Doctor Submarine wrote:You want to see a show that commits to the stuff that True Detective had no interest in focussing on? Watch Hannibal. It's so different.
Fixed it for you.
I Sure wanted it to think it did for the first five episodes.
Fixed it for you, again. I think your keyboard is wonky.
Doctor Submarine wrote:The more I think about it, the less I like it.
Me too. I'm pretty sure I hated it. What Cohle said at the end undermined what was daring and different about him as a TV character.
Right. I forgot characters aren't supposed to grow or change after a traumatic event.
You want to see a show that commits to the stuff that True Detective had no interest in focussing on? Watch Hannibal. It's so different.
Fixed it for you.
Jumanji is an awesome candidate.
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I'm pre-psyched.
I volunteer as tribute. I worked at a theater in 95 when this was out and this thing killed.
I thoroughly enjoyed the series as well as the finale. I was a bit of a Schopenhauer nerd in college (I think I referenced him a bit in the Watchmen commentary) and to hear Cohle lift whole lines from Schopenhauer was a treat. The broken, exhausted, well-earned glimmer of optimism that Cohle reveals at the end was the biggest possible swerve. I fully agree that anyone coming into this series focussed on the procedural aspects of the show and the story are sort of missing the point. And yes, if some were wanting an R rated, possibly supernatural CSI: LOVECRAFT, then I could easily see their disappointment. This show had other things in mind.
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