I help make it and I don't even know it..oh shit I actually did forget...fuck. Uh, little help?

I was there too!!

And you guys definitely missed out.

Trey..... I like you 

And re: the firetruck, bad....ASS! Do I sense a story behind this?

So wait a minute, you are legitimately going to try and tell me that being stabbed in the back by your brother, forced to live/work in the underworld for eternity and a day and live on nothing but the hatred and fear of humanity isn't enough motivation for Hades to go batshit evil?

And honestly I loooooved how they portrayed Zues, and all of the gods really (Even though the other ones didn't really get any screen time, but hey, this isn't their myth). I once heard someone complaining about how vibrant and healthy (AKA Young) the gods looked, I believe thier specific line was "Arn't they like a million years old?". Now you can blame that on me just having stupid friends or whatever. But I loved how everything was handled, it's what the Ancient myths and stories of epic tales deserve to have.

Just got back from Clash of Titans, (which I enjoyed immensely, thank you very much) and apparently they're remaking the A-Team...and it looked Bad....ASS!! Although having never seen the original, I can't bitch and whine about how they're ruining the original, but I'm someone on here can fill that void rather quickly.

And also apparently they made Guardians of Gahoole into an animated flick, this excites me, although I don't remember alot about the books, I do remember reading them...and enjoying them.

Never played it, probably never will.

That is all.

Well they already butchered Death At A Funeral, s why the hell not.

Also btw, they're remaking Karate Kid... with Jackie Chan.

(I've never seen Real Genius, but I feel your pain)

Techincally...no. We never truly find out what graduating class anyone is in, because well, no one graduates, they all get shipped off to the Enterprise before that can happen. So for all we know Mccoy could be graduating a year after Kirk, or hell, Kirk could not even be graduating this year. I don't "think" they ever explicitly state that Kirk "actually" did it in 3 years, thats just what he says to Pike.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I remember it.

As far as the field trip out, I guess I just don't know enough about military protocol or how this shit works. (Ala Cadets vs plebes vs etc etc.)

But they Pike does say that the shuttle for "New Recruits leaves tomorrow." Which is the one he takes which does have all the other cadets on board.

On another note, just because I like a little chaos, I want to throw this out there.

What in THIS MOVIE gives any indication that Starfleet hierarchical system is in anyway at all similar to any system we know or recognize?? Yes i know that whatever, you have your own ideas of what a military system looks like, but fuck that. What in THIS MOVIE gives you any indication that this is abnormal or out of the ordinary?? Cause no one else seems to mind.

Discuss.

And on a separate more closely related to what I actually think, note.

I forget who said it, and I'm too tired to go check. But someone said something about them being on there own, god only knows where without back up or support and how that changes the situation. I agree. So thats all now think back, Pike KNOWS WHO KIRK IS, when he meets him in the bar (After the bar tender tells him, but still, he's got a repuatation). Thats big dudes. Pike seems to have a certain connection with Kirk that transcends Teacher/Cadet. And don't you think that would carry through the Academy? I'm sure Pike kept a very close eye on Kirk throughout his schooling, and saw something he liked (Kobiyashi Murru anyone? I know I spelt that wrong, shut the fuck up). So when he's in a sticky situation, he wants someone who can get the job done, enter Kirk. Bam, Pike promotes him and the story continues. So in the end Kirk is not the only one breaking a few rules.
I think this makes alot of sense, but unforunatly it isn't really portrayed this way in the movie. How would we fix this? fairly simply really, all it would take would be a few short scenes of Kirk at the Academy impressing Pike and them establishing this sort of a relationship so that when we get to the end it makes sense why Pike would promote him over someone else on the ship.

And all of a sudden, all we have is McCoy breaking a few rules to get Kirk on board (If you notice, Kirk was just going to stay behind as far as we know, it's Mccoy that sneaks him on board, Kirk just goes along with it.), it's Pike that breaks the rules to promote him over someone else, and then Kirk just assumes the position he's required to when Spock steps down. Fairly reasonable I would think, as far as his accension to power goes.

Alright I am ready for the massive hail of hate that's sure to arise...bring it on.

Thank you Trey for saying what i couldn't!! That was absolutely beautiful.

And Brian, you may not have typed it, but I could have sworn it at least a couple times during the commentary...although I'd have to listen to it again to check.

I never said anything about this applying to everyone equally, but I get what you mean.

Secondly i never said anything about this being the rule and must be followe, I simply find it interesting.

And no I am not making an appeal to authority, I am saying that this guy, who has basically lived breathed and been Star Trek for nearly forty years, has played a major role in the development of it's exsistence so if anyone is going to be able to speak about whether or not it's "Trek" enough, it would be him. And from what I've read/heard/seen, he seems to think so. Which I find INTERESTING... note that. i never said you had to agree with him.

I just find it interesting that the fanboys can talk for hours on end about what Trek "is" or should be while simultaneously dissing Abrams Trek, which Nimoy thinks is a good representation.

And while we may not know for absolutely definitely sure what his thoughts are, like i said, I am just going from what he has said in interviews and the like, and also going from my opinion that he isn't likely to spend his time on a Star Trek project and invest this much in it, of his own free will, if he didn't think it represented Trek well.

So I guess in the end, I can ask, what makes you think you know what makes Trek, Trek, than a man who has had a key role in making Trek, Trek?

(Yes, I am being a touch of a douchebag here, but I'm just trying to make a point.)

If it's any consolation, I'm right there with you Trey. I literally felt myself wanting to scream at my computer every five seconds..it was aaaaaaagonizing.