bullet3 wrote:I dunno, I just can't get invested in a movie that's trying to be so goofy all the time. Which is weird, because I love the Evil Dead movies, so I'm not really sure what's different about something like Army of Darkness vs Planet Terror, and why I can love one and dislike the other. I love individual bits of Planet Terror, like the hospital knife attack sequence and the running over zombies with a big-rig, but I can't help but think "man, I wish these sequences were in a movie that was taking itself more seriously so I could care about these characters"
By that logic, one can't care about characters in a comedy, and we both know that's just not true. I don't know about you, but in movies such as The Mask, Army Of Darkness and Big Trouble In Little China, I cared whether the characters succeeded or failed in life. I think the reason for that can be broken down into three factors: Sympathy, Empathy and Vulnerability (Humility is also a subset of that last one).
We feel bad for these people when they fall on their asses or the universe kicks them when they're down (Sympathy), mostly because we can understand their plight and relate to what they're feeling in some way (Empathy), which in turn makes them human, flawed and we see that their lives aren't perfect (Vulnerability/Humility). Stanley Ipkiss is a Lovable Loser who the movie literally classifies as the Nice Guy Finishes Last character. Not only that, but he sees a body in the water and dives into that crap (in his suit!), attempting to "save the cat". Jack Burton and Ash are both loud, pompous blowhards who think they're super cool, but mostly aren't. However, they're constantly reminded of just how cool they're not, and they soldier on anyway, striving to be the heroes they see themselves to be.
Now, you seem to be suggesting that there's no one to care about/root for in Planet Terror because everyone is either too silly or bad-ass too much of the time. I urge you to take a closer look. Cherry Darling is estranged from the only man she ever loved, she's jobless and she's lost her fucking leg! No more dancing and no more dreams of being a stand-up comic, especially thanks to the zombie apocalypse! Later, her true love is killed (after having just recently reunited)! Thankfully, he's given her a child and she meets Dakota Block, so it all works out, more or less.
Speaking of, Dakota Block is also a solid example of my "Three Laws of Character Building that I just made up, just now, aren't I amaze-great?". Though she is initially cheating on her Husband (and I am strongly opposed to infidelity of any kind. I don't care how bad things are. If you want to be with someone else, you have to separate from the person you're with now! You can't have your cake and fuck it, too. I digress.), it's obviously a loveless and even dangerous marriage. After all, she has a child to think about. So there's that, her fingers and hands are broken (a bunch, but they are miraculously healed once the drug wears off, which is HEY LOOK OVER THERE! A DIVERSION!), her Husband's a psycho, her only other prospect gets her brains scooped out like so much Rocky Road ice cream AND her little boy is fucking dea-- I mean alive! YAY, REBEL! WOOO! Thankfully, she meets another Smokin' Hottie-Turned Actress/Singer in the form of Cherry Darling, who ends up with a child she gets to help raise, so Dakota wins at life (MAKE IT BETTER FOR DAKOTAAAA!!!).
I could go on about the other characters, but you get the idea.
In Death Proof (Dammit! You made me do this!), there are two groups of girls and BOTH are kind of vapid, self-absorbed and they shuck all social and/or career responsibilities so they can goof off, inconsiderate of (and in some cases, at the expense of) others. The first group are the bigger offenders, but they do serve two important functions:
1. They represent the classic trope within these movies, of the young, promiscuous girl(s) who just want to do drugs and have sex, and of course they die for it.
2. We need to see them get killed by Stuntman Mike, so we can fully understand and appreciate how deadly he is in the second half.
Having said that, it could be argued that the scenes with Rose McGowan at the bar and in Mike's car do this just fine, and much, much faster (Personally, I would love to see a Fan Edit that cuts out the first group of girls, keeping Pam, but then we would lose most of Kurt Russell's performance).
The second group gabs endlessly about mundane bullshit (at least the long conversations in Pulp Fiction were interesting/fun to listen to). They pull a Richard Edson ("What country do you think this is?") and go joyriding in someone else's car. Granted, the guy probably deserved it (Trivia notes Jasper fully intended to rape Lee), but still... And speaking of, I kind of like Lee, mainly because I like Mary Elizabeth Winstead, particularly her delivery of the declaration, "Oh, I love Pretty In Pink!". Again with the digression.
The only character among them I truly care about is Zoe, who is charming and "real" throughout. A lot of that has to do with Zoe Bell just being literally and figuratively herself.
I went on for way longer than I expected to. I'll shut up now. 