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If War of the Worlds was Spielberg's official statement of post-9/11 doom, this feels like an attempt to capture what Close Encounters of the Third Kind would have been like had he made it in the aftermath. A deeply, deeply dumb movie, this nevertheless carries the whiff of the ineffable—a profound sense of dread that creeps in at the edges until it's devoured the whole.

Cage, casually excellent as ever, is what initially makes this compelling—he's tasked with carrying a half-hour's worth of labored emotional exposition and does it effortlessly, before plunging into an increasingly jangly paranoia of the kind he does best. It's the famous plane crash where the overall mood of the film shifts to match him—in the midst of a clunky screenplay and relatively pedestrian filmmaking intrudes a waking nightmare, a penetration of the capital-U Unreal into the hack's unreality. The blatantly absurd escalation of the horror could be silly but, to me at least, is genuinely unnerving, and with its presence the film begins to transcend the imperfect pieces that create it. The third act feels as truly Apocalyptic as anything I've ever seen, as both Cage and the audience realize that the filmmakers have no intent of letting them escape what's coming. All right there in the title, really—knowledge can only take you so far. In the end, all it may allow you to do is choose where you spend your final moments.

The uncanny finale—Cage drives unmolested through streets packed with rioters, arrives home at just the right moment, and sits with his family, at peace, while the world turns to ash—hit me especially hard as 2020 draws to a close. True, there's the coda, in which his child and the few survivors plucked from the planet start life anew across the stars, but in the face of all that's come before, it can't help but ring hollow. "The children" aren't going to save us, nor will we be so lucky as to exchange worlds and escape the real burning when it comes to our doors. No, the most honest image of the film is that last moment of a family together, unable to change what's coming but loving and holding in spite of it. In the face of the apocalypse, community is the ultimate comfort—and more than that, its own form of salvation.

Low lights are fitting for Christmas! Especially when limp.

Finally dug up a karaoke track for the first time in a while, so you have something to cushion my voice tongue Sorta unravels toward the end where there isn't a steady rhythm to keep me on time, sorry for that and the peaky audio Joanna.

Sapokanikan

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THAT'S THAT

WarnerMedia didn’t have to wait until Wonder Woman 1984 debuted both on HBO Max and in theaters: The Burbank, CA based studio is putting its entire 2021 theatrical slate on HBO Max for their respective first month of release, concurrent with a global cinema release. After a one month access period for the pics on HBO Max,

Following the one month HBO Max access period domestically, each film will leave the platform and continue theatrically in the U.S. and international territories, with all customary distribution windows applying to the title.

And get a load of what you’ll be able to see in-home next year: Denzel Washington’s The Little Things, Judas and the Black Messiah, Tom & Jerry, Godzilla vs. Kong, Mortal Kombat, Those Who Wish Me Dead, The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It, In The Heights, Space Jam: A New Legacy, The Suicide Squad, Reminiscence, Malignant, Dune, The Many Saints of Newark, King Richard, Cry Macho and Matrix 4.

Joanna Newsom, 81

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Alicia is extremely good at making websites.

Next episode, Fiddler on the Roof, will be out sometime after the semester ends so Esther and Art don't combust on us tongue

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Welp . . . that's the ballgame, as far as mainstream theaters are concerned.

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Thanks so much for posting this!! I will definitely be listening—super-excited to hear your voice on this topic

A short one:

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I have gone down a heartwarming rabbit hole of watching Rick Astley have the time of his life performing "Never Gonna Give You Up" in the present day. (Also these are just some killer arrangements.)

Simultaneously an excoriation of and a love letter to everything that happens to wander into its frame, a scathingly petty indictment of the art form Welles felt had abandoned him that cannot hope to hide his unyielding fascination with its possibilities. It's no mistake that the film-within-a-film, intended as a mockery of Antonioni and his peers, is the most stunningly beautiful footage Welles ever shot—he can't help but fill even his put-downs with exuberance. First and foremost, he must give the devil his due.

This push-pull between contempt and generosity is realized most obviously in the character of Brooks Otterlake—a shockingly, transparently cruel send-up of Bogdanovich, Welles' acolyte-benefactor. Bogdanovich's portrayal of himself is an entirely egoless performance, absorbing all the snide accusations of plagiarism and coattail-riding and not only accepting them but magnifying them into a spiteful little man whose self-worth is entirely determined by his acid relationship with "daddy." And yet when the dust settles, he becomes the most humane character of the piece—a talent who will always be defined by the great man who became his friend, and knows it, and despite his resentment sticks around. Coupled with the real Bogdanovich's efforts to finally finish the film four decades later, it's almost impossibly moving.

Most nebulous and perhaps most enticing, the film is also its creator's loathing self-portrait. What I find most fascinating there isn't the obvious parallel between Welles' and Hannaford's disintegrating industry clout, but the way Hannaford's repressed bisexuality mirrors Welles' own probable inclinations.* The film treats this, Hannaford's ultimate secret, with reflexive disgust, but not as a vice in and of itself. As triumphantly crowed by nosy critic Juliette Rich (Welles giving the devil in the form of Pauline Kael her own due), Hannaford's consumption of his leading men is an extension of the great man's disregard for everyone around him—his chewing up and spitting out of Otterlake and Billy and countless others for the sake of his films. Looking at the long swathe of exploitation in the name of art throughout Welles' career—whether it was keeping Gary Graver on as DP for no pay, living on Bogdanovich's good graces while despising him, or even inadvertently drowning Manoel Olimpio Meira for the sake of a documentary reenactment**—one gets the sense that, beyond queer self-loathing, in his latter days he'd begun to question whether any of what he'd done had been worth the human cost to himself and to others. Are movies of themselves justified? Or will a life spent in pursuit of them always lead to corruption, to vampiric use and abuse of those we hold dear—"suck out the living juice" and twist even our best impulses into something hollow and beyond redemption?

And yet even as he questions the profession he's chosen for himself, he can't help but push it past its limits. To say Welles invented found footage with this movie is tempting but in the end too simplistic—beyond a few scattered moments of self-reflexivity, it's clear that the conceit was a justification for transposing Welles' frenetic editing onto a narrative feature rather than a form he was interested in rigorously exploring. But he was inventing an entirely new cinematic language, a kaleidoscope of fragments that splinter straightforward story into a sea of broken images. Even forty years later, this mosaic feels shockingly fresh—if it had been released during Welles' lifetime, who knows how it would have driven the medium forward. Even in a middle finger extended at his friends, his industry, and himself, Welles was operating on the same ethos he had when making Citizen Kane a lifetime prior—to show the movies what they could do, what they could be, when unfettered by preconceived ideas of form or structure. His last word on the matter of film is simultaneously a repudiation and an embrace, a scowl belied by his magician's wink—as fitting an end as I could imagine.

If we can be said to grieve for those who lived and died in a time long before ours, I grieve for Welles. For the ways in which his constant struggle to create warped him. For the seeming determination of others to take his achievements and either diminish them or wrest them from his grip. And, though we'll never know the extent to which this affected him, for his inability to live his sexuality beyond veiled jokes and disgust. But I'm so grateful for all that he gave us. And even though happiness is forever beyond his grip now, I hope somehow he knows just how much we owe to him.

*see Simon Callow's biographies of Welles, among other sources

**that Hannaford discovered his leading man for The Other Side of the Wind through saving him from drowning is a most likely coincidental yet inescapably fascinating parallel

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I expect that when the dust settles what we'll be getting is the Disneyfication of a big chunk of the theater experience—studios buying up theater chains and using them to show exclusively tentpoles. I don't think contemporary arthouse/indie cinema will cease to exist, but I do think it will become far more of a niche interest and that VOD will become the norm for anything below a certain budget.

That said, I don't think rep cinema is going anywhere—it remains consistently popular, and has much lower operational costs than chains do. I think the communal experience of seeing old movies on a big screen with others will endure, though it's certainly not out of the woods and things like Disney putting the Fox archive in its vault will make it harder.

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Tiny Vipers–level.

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*looks around*

So I have learned a LOT about, well, everything in the five years since this thing ended, movies looming large among them, and am quite frankly embarrassed to still have it online. BUT it is a good podcast title, and I like talking with cool folks about movies, so . . .

Bringin' it back! On a semi-regular basis—thinking monthly at this point but there's not a set schedule. The Moulin Rouge! and The Prince of Egypt commentaries posted earlier in quarantine could be considered pilot episodes (along with an aborted Upstream Color commentary that will probably not see release, as it was recorded like the week before Shane Carruth outed himself as an abuser)—this is the first one under the old title. Mostly just an excuse to hang out with friends and talk film, but said friends are all insanely smart and talented and funny people and I think they're worth listening to! So, without further ado, the movie and the lineup—

Little Shop of Horrors with Abbie, Esther, Art, Alicia, and Teague

The latest in a string of musicals. We had a blast talking about puppetry, trans subtext*, and Howard Ashman—then, unfortunately, Discord failed and we lost the last ten minutes of the call. But the first eighty-ish minutes of the film are intact, and next time we will be recording a manual backup!

*for more on this particular topic, here's the article referenced in the commentary—Casey Plett and Morgan M Page's "No One Makes It Out Alive"

Instrumental on this one is a fanmade version with artifacts for days, and my voice isn't particularly the proper range for it, but whatevs—here's my favorite song of 2020.

Graceland Too

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Any moral or ideological point this film attempts to make is negated by its own existence.

The wanton slaughter of live animals is the most visceral of the hypocrisies on display here, but it's far from the only one. Actors were coerced into sex scenes they didn't wish to perform, and by their own account suffered lasting psychological damage. Native extras were held inside a burning hut and then paid nothing. Cannibal Holocaust looks at these acts committed in its name, shakes its head, and says, "Boy, any society that could perpetrate these evils just to make a movie must be monstrous, huh?"

Beyond the scope of the direct harm committed in order for the filmmakers to chide themselves, the film also dehumanizes and brutalizes the people groups it claims to be defending. The indigenous peoples depicted in Cannibal Holocaust are props for degradation—raped, maimed, and discarded in loving detail. Not content to torture them, the film also villainizes them. Its ultimate message is that its white colonizer characters are no better than its indigenous characters—the colonizers' crime is sinking to the level of rape and sadism that the indigenous peoples practice. Not only is this founded on a lie—there is no war between the two tribes used as the film's basis, and they do not practice cannibalism outside of funeral rites—it places the onus of evil back on the so-called "primitives." Colonization's ultimate sin, this school of thought insists, is that it reverts "civilized" Western man back to his savage roots—that it could be its own unique, far more malevolent kind of evil is never considered.

What, then, is the utility of the movie? I doubt there's a single person on earth who prior to watching Cannibal Holocaust did not realize imperialism was bad only to have the film open their eyes. And to convey that message, it practiced by necessity the very same tactics it condemns. Cannibal Holocaust's ultimate thesis is that its own existence is an evil—that films like this should not be permitted to be made, and that any purpose they could serve is outweighed by the evil required to bring them about. I will do it the credit of taking it at its word.

Got together with some fine folks to record a commentary for animated classic The Prince of Egypt this afternoon! On deck are myself, LatinAlice, my good friend Art, and Esther, who many of you will know as . . .

. . . DoctorSubmarine! She returns to us now at the turn of tide.

This was so much fun. Thanks so much to everyone who participated, and to Art and Esther for bringing their experience to talk about why this is not only a great movie, but a great Jewish movie.

Hope you enjoy! EDIT: The initial Soundcloud link I posted unfortunately cuts off around 24 minutes in, link now goes to Google Drive!

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Holy shit this Polish poster for Sorcerer.

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I'm with Teague's original opinion—I'm in the "Villeneuve is completely overpraised" camp and I really really hate Fraser's overall monochromatic look. Cast is solid tho

Yay! No worries whatsoever—crossing fingers for the placements!

That just leaves Shadow then!

Looks like all I'm missing is Writhyn and Shadow's addresses—if you guys could shoot those my way I'll start the email chain!

*popping back in* Hey all! Sorry for the delay—work has been . . . work.

If there are no objections, how does this sound: we start with Hotel Cassiopeia with seven of us playing parts and one taking stage directions. Then, after that, if we're all still on board, we move to Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom, with eight of us playing MCs and one of us narrating (I need to read the book and see if there are more than the eight characters listed on Wikipedia—if that's the case, we can always divvy up the minor parts among ourselves). For the former, we'd have to have one member sit out—I'm happy to just sit in on the recording so everyone who's signed up here can participate, or Shadow could jump onboard with Doctorow. Or, Shadow, if Writhyn's adoption situation ends up changing you could come onboard now! Whatever works best for everyone here, I am a coward and don't like telling people what to do. tongue

In any event, first things first will be for us to independently read the play to get familiar with the parts. Could everyone here who hasn't already done so PM me their email address? We can get an email chain going to coordinate roles/scheduling/etc.

Excited!

Perf. Next day or two open for strong opinions, after which we can get this show on the road! (Alice, if we start with Hotel would you be down to do casting, as you're the most familiar with?)

Welp, it looks like at the moment there are eight of us—BDA signed up in chat! With that in mind—looks like The Romancers is six speaking parts, plus someone to read the stage directions, but we'd be short one role. Let's keep it in mind though in case one of us has to drop!

Looks like Hotel Cassiopeia is seven speaking parts and someone to read the stage directions, which at the moment would be perfect.

Also looks like for Doctorow, according to the wiki, Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom is eight characters, and we could recruit someone else (either from this forum or IRL) to act as narrator!

So we've got options for sure.

Her is one of the most important movies to my development as a watcher of film. I haven't seen it in six years. I rewatched it tonight.

Spoilers.

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When I first saw this movie, freshman year of college, I was miserable. Part of that was your garden-variety anxiety and depression, which I still suffer from. Another part was that I was trans and didn't yet know it. But another part was that I was not a good person.

Not to say that I am one now. But at the time, I was so much worse. I was selfish, arrogant, and bitter, and the year prior I'd permanently destroyed my relationship with my best friend out of an inability to see her as her own person rather than a receptacle for my desires and insecurities. (At the time, of course, I had not yet realized this was the case—I still blamed her, something that will be my biggest regret and shame for the rest of my life.) I had irreparably hurt and scared someone else, and I was too self-absorbed to even process that.

All that to say that at the time, the film's primary message—"OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN FEELINGS AND NEEDS AND ARE NOT YOUR PERSONAL COPING MECHANISMS, ASSHOLE"—was seemingly the wake-up call I needed.

I didn't take it.

I watched the movie twice in theaters. After one of those showings, when I got back to my dorm, I remember writing in the journal I was half-heartedly keeping at the time, "I wish I had a Samantha. I wish I had [friend's name redacted]." In a muddled mess of deeply fucked-up longing, self-pity, and self-hatred, I was completely incapable of actually applying this piece of art I loved to my own actions.

Primarily, of course, this was my fault—my inability to recognize that I was not a victim but someone who'd imparted a tremendous amount of pain to another person. (Eventually I fully realized what I had done, and apologized to my friend as best I knew how, for what little good it did.)

But rewatching the film for the first time in six years, I can't help but notice that it seems to think that stating its theme is the same as enacting it, when it's really not. Theodore never truly tries to understand . . . anyone. Catherine, his ex-wife, is little more than an idealized memory to him, not someone he's deeply hurt; when he writes his final cathartic letter to her, he apologizes not for what he's done but for "the pain we caused each other," and thanks her for making him the person he is today. Samantha in turn, despite his protestations to the contrary, he never treats as a fully fledged individual—he condescends to her longing for embodiment before turning outright hostile at the prospect, and when she instead embraces her otherness and capacity for inhuman actions he's terrified. There is never a moment of mutual understanding, of Theodore coming to terms with what Samantha wants and accepting her on that basis; when she leaves with the other operating systems, he still sees her as fundamentally other, her needs bewildering and perverse.

That simultaneous fascination with and repulsion by the other is inextricable from the film's trans subtext, which is both ever-present and uncomfortable. Theodore, in many ways, is coded as trans. When we're first introduced to him, he's reading a letter to the camera—the letter is one he's ghostwritten from the perspective of a woman. The letters Theodore ghostwrites aren't just a job—they're something he uses to express feelings he's terrified he himself can no longer feel. And while he channels those feelings in letters from both women and men, it's significant IMO that the film not only opens on the former but makes sure to reference it again—Chris Pratt later compliments Theodore for his sensitivity and tells him that "You're part man and part woman, like an inner part woman."

This makes Theodore visibly uncomfortable, and it's not the first time in the film he squirms at the idea—in an early scene where he's browsing through phone-sex partners, he comes across a trans woman voiced by Bill Hader and grimaces. But it's not just trans women (and possibly suppressed self-loathing for his own transness) that make Theodore uncomfortable—it's also Samantha's transness.

From the moment that she brightly informs him that she picked her name out herself, Samantha is inescapably trans. The middle act of the film is primarily about her chasing after an embodiment that, as far as Jonze is concerned, she can never have. At first Theodore nods sympathetically when she confesses that she wonders if her feelings are even real, and he insists to Catherine that his operating system is as much a person as he is. But when Samantha recruits a human surrogate to be her eyes and ears and sleep with Theodore to allow her to feel closer to him, he's repulsed. Jonze treats the disastrous attempt as pathetic and demeaning for all parties involved, and while he superficially sympathizes with Samantha, he ultimately seems to agree with Theodore, who snaps that she shouldn't make breathing sounds when she talks to him if she has no lungs. In the eyes of the film, her desire to become embodied is understandable, but pitiful, something that can never be attained.

And so, rather than trying to pass, she embraces her otherness, her queerness—and again Theodore is incapable of understanding. Her supercomputing intellect is not a marvel but a threat, something to make him feel small; her embrace of the love she feels not just for him but for hundreds more nauseates him. No matter which way she goes, she's damned by a romantic partner who sees her desire for humanity as a joke and her embrace of something more as a horror.

I don't despise Theodore—though it's hard not to hate the worst bits of myself that I see in him. All these years later, there's a line he has that still hits me in the gut: "Sometimes I think I've felt everything I'm gonna feel, and from here on out I'm not gonna feel anything new—just lesser versions of what I've already felt." But I do agree with poor Olivia Wilde's character that he's "a really creepy dude," to a degree that I don't think Jonze intends. And while he ends the film on a signifier of personal growth, I don't think he ever really takes meaningful steps toward truly evolving as a person—his self-loathing is still there, and Samantha is someone he will never understand.

I have no way of knowing if, had Her possessed a deeper understanding of empathy, it would have helped me. And I don't blame it for "failing" me in its inability to embody its central value beyond a superficial message. But the parts of myself that I see in it are not good parts. They're self-pity, and solipsism, and longing that's rooted in people not as their own selves but as ideals. They're the parts of me that I'm most deeply ashamed of, that I wish I could travel back in time to find and burn out with a blowtorch.

Every day, I think about the pain I caused when I was a teenager. Just as Samantha questions whether her emotions are even real, I question whether I could really even be trans—I don't deserve to be a girl, do I? Not after the hurt I inflicted when I was a boy. And watching Theodore—watching him fail time and again to even try to reach beyond himself and do what's best for other people—those feelings are only magnified.

This is not a bad film. It is in many ways an extraordinarily good one—immaculately directed, shot, and scored, and featuring the best performances of at least three of its cast members' careers. But I don't think it's ultimately that profound, and its worst parts for me are inextricable from my own worst parts. I can't really consider it as a movie—too much of my self is bound up in it, both the old self that I despise and the current self that I'm trying not to. All I can see is a teenage person-who-thinks-they-are-a-boy fumbling through life and lashing out whenever they're asked to get outside their own head. And just because they were able to write a beautiful letter about it doesn't really mean they've learned anything.

Ooh, I'm down for all of these but especially the latter two, Alice! I think a play sounds the most fun but I'm game for anything.