Well, I don't charge much

My thoughts, for what they are worth:

• The probe droids returning to the ship are not loss. It's pretty obvious action that doesn't need a visual to indicate it. I agree on that point. Having a shadow hover over Butterfly and then retreat, plus the report, works pretty well.

• I'm rereading, but did you remove the cousin reference? Just curious on that but I also see places to put it back in.

• I like the ending to this script, both the trace, as well as the holgram fade and her looking to the sky. A good fade out moment, with fanfare and everything

• Possible thought-have Voyne offer to use her to replace Niken as the apprentice? It's little more than subtle word play but it was a thought that came to my mind.

I do like this version, overall. Works very well. Those are just some more food for thought.

Ok, late to the party, but I hope you don't mind some small ideas for the script.

First of all, do you have a sequence in mind of who activates their saber first? I would imagine giving each their moment of activation can up the "cool" factor for the kids-not that it isn't alright high enough.

If you want a twist, here is some food for thought. You can do a fake out for the Sith master and have Butterfly take the ship back to the Sith base, and the door opens, revealing Butterfly instead of Niken. Like I said it is work in progress but might be something.

The probe droids withdrawing could included, as the ship arrives, giving it a more ominous tone. Like the droids move to retreat, and Butterfly tries to follow. Again, just a thought.

On another note, what lightsaber props are you using?

I bought some keys and a house came with it. Most expensive set of keys ever.

And this is how bad (or how good) my mind is. I first read the keys as "MinEcraft" and wanted to ask if you built yourself

Quick question for those who might know. Since I don't have cable, does BBC stream the episodes after airing so I can keep up on this series?

Finally listened to this episode, and was generally surprised at the optimism.  I know I generally am optimistic about projects and sequels and prequels. But, as much as I eager for the film, there is a certain level of hesitance on my part.

As much as people point out that I like Abrams Star Trek, there is always a concern when bringing back older cast to reprise their roles. Don't get me wrong, I am glad that the three decided to participate and this isn't essentially a Star Wars reboot but a continuation of the original trilogy. I am looking forward to seeing that, see what they are wanting to do with the universe and the story they want to tell.

As I said above, my concern is that Abrams is too close to the material and that emulation of the OT, rather than something new might be a concern. It doesn't keep me from being interested in the work, but it keeps me from being full fan boy mode and more skeptical over what the final work will be.

However, like the panelists said, it is not a solo work in the sense that are multiple people, producers and writers that have a voice, that perhaps will bear more influence than when the prequels were being made. So, there is that to be more positive about in terms of a production point of view; I will grant that point.

In addition, I do like the fact that now Star Wars movies will not be the "we have one shot to make this happen or else..." attitude, and that Disney is looking at spin-offs, and likely will explore other avenues until the point of illness on the part of fans. Be careful what you wish for and all that, but still nice to take a small amount of pressure from ruining the franchise to, "That wasn't so great. There's always the next one." (Have Star Wars fans become the new Cubs fans: https://www.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/p/ke … xt-year/).

I have more thoughts but I think that's enough for now. I'll leave everyone with this-perhaps everyone should start crafting those Star Wars scripts so they are at the ready when the spin-offs start

Good episode, guys. Thanks for the positive shot!

Edit:

Teague, at the end of this episode:

I would be happy to assist in the writing of the lightsaber battle, especially with kids. I always wanted to do that with my siblings but never could happen.

If I can help in the writing process, I would be happy to volunteer.

Edit: I do understand that I am not the most experience person in terms of lightsaber combat or choreography, but I have worked on several projects that were terrible. So, I've learned a lot of what not to do

And that makes the creators wrong for people's reactions? Again, after the Intermission, it certainly felt like this was a middle of the road issue, with some people for and some against. I still don't see the harm of things like CS, but I don't take them seriously either and I don't believe they are intended to be serious criticism, beyond the surface level variety. Which, just to point out, IMDB has a Goof's page, Movie Mistakes is a website devoted to nitpicky little points, problems or errors, and I have no doubt there are many more.

Also, something that I meant to articulate earlier, but kind of lost, was the fact that this feels, to me, like a play on the typical fan-forum critic. And what I mean is the type of critics who are not just going after the story, but will use hyperbolic language, name-calling, or other knee-jerk level criticism at a movie they don't like, and (by extension), supporters of the film they don't like.

Ok, I'm going to spoiler this because it is going to be very long, and give several examples based upon my own personal experience. This is not meant to target any specific fan or group but just comments about a film that I have encountered.

I will concede that this is film criticism, but that it isn't made to be taken seriously. Beyond that, I don't see this as detracting from RLM, WAYDM, SFDebris or others, because there are those who still want serious analysis. But some people don't want the steak dinner and don't care. They want a hamburger, are satisfied by it and move on.

I prefer steak dinner, but sometimes just a quick hamburger will do the trick. Same thing this. Would I prefer WAYDM analysis? Sure. Do I have the time to devote 2+ hours to each movie? Not always. So, I go with something that will make me laugh and move on, and save the analysis for later.

I just don't see anything wrong with that. But, hey, that's just me.

Thanks, johnpavlich, that is helpful. I feel like I'm not articulating this well. Here's hoping the podcast goes better.

More to my point, is not that it is bad criticism, is that it is being done for comedy. Therefore, it should not be taken seriously.

I'm really not trying to be a dick about this, so I will leave it at that.

If their stated purpose was film criticism and analysis, then I would agree. But, at least for CS, their stated purpose is comedy. So, for me, it falls in a different category that FIYH, SFDebris, Extended Edition, among others.

I understand that it is criticizing the films they view, and falls under the title of film criticism. But, I don't treat it like film criticism in terms of being serious analysis. It's comedic hyperbole, told for the sake of entertainment. I will contrast that with a show like SFDebris, or even WAYDM, that use jokes to explain and analyze a film or work.

It might be a minor difference, but it is a difference to be. I guess I treat film criticism on a spectrum, from comedic to serious. Comedy, I don't give as much weight, versus the more serious analysis, which gets more weight. And then, I make up my own mind because I like the films that I like.

I don't take things like CS seriously because they don't take themselves seriously. They are being nitpicky assholes, just like many a fan on a forum. I can't help how their audience treats it, but I can respect the intent behind the work, which is not analysis.

So, I will concede film criticism, but will state that it is a different type of film criticism, one that is primarily a comedy vehicle. Whether it is funny or not, that is subjective.

Ok, late to the party (dang it all, don't post all the fun stuff while I'm at work!!!). I know Doc has stepped away so I want to play nice and all that.

I was thinking on this a bit today and I think that I am beginning to understand the counter to CS and all the other types that are up for discussion tomorrow. The idea is that this type of criticism does nothing to ADD to the field of film criticism, and detracts from other film critics who have something to say.

Yes, that was a summary. I am trying to make sure I understand it, because I really didn't for the longest time.

My main point is two fold. First of all, I do not regard CS or HT or whathaveyou as film criticism. Maybe I'm narrow in my definition, maybe I'm just ignorant of film critics in general, or maybe I don't have the energy to keep up. I don't know. What I do know is how I treat a critic/reviewer and how I treat comedians.

Comedians I watch to entertain me and to get a good laugh. It is enjoyable, but really nothing to terribly deep or hard thinking-depending on the comedian; there are exceptions, of course.

Reviewers and critics are someone who challenge me to look at the art (in this case film or TV) in a different way or a critical way. I've posted again and again my like of many movies that FIYH didn't care for and my disinterest in ones that people love. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate their point of view-I just don't share it.

For me, CS, HT, Literal Trailers, Confused Matthew, are entertaining. They are poking fun at a film or being angry at it, or swearing at it, or behaving like sports fans yelling at officials on the TV. It's comedy, and comedy is subjective and I get that.

While I can understand the concern of their style cheapening film criticism, I don't see them that way, and I don't think they seem themselves that way. I mean, YouTube comments can hardly be a measure of a fandom's state of mind simply because many of them turn in to a hate-fest in of themselves.

Here's a thought that I just had, for what it is worth. To those who are concerned about the impact of these types of videos, perhaps you should contact them and let them know. Not YouTube comment but a legitimate connection.

Maybe I'm crazy, but one of the things that I love about here and SFDebris is the fact that I can send a message and give feedback and get a response. There is a dialog there that should be nurtured among the film criticism community. Letting them know an alternative point of view might help them learn something too.

Finally, I really don't see evidence that this is harmful to the film criticism community. I am with BDA here in that the general movie going audience is going to see what they want, regardless of things like this. Also, they are not going to partake of other film critics (any more than they already were) simply because those videos are not there.

Beyond that, I really don't know. I'm doing my best to understand but I guess I don't get it

I think so...or I'm reaching for my gun. It could go either way

*the sarcasm is strong tonight*