I've only read the first page and the writing style makes me hate Lindelof even more (as a writer; I'm sure he loves his grandma and gives to charity or whatever).

To answer your question, Squiggly, no. That's not generally how scripts are written these days -- though that is a more hamfisted version of how J.J. Abrams writes (lots of CAPS and underlines and big blocks of prose -- divided up -- by dashes). So it's probably an artifact of the Lost "house style."

Although, I've noticed in bigger-budget productions, directing on the page -- "we PUSH IN" and such -- is making a comeback.

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I could swear it was a big story back in the day that Lucas only gave Fox distribution rights to the prequels on the condition they surrendered ownership of the original film back to him/Lucasfilm.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7yisfnZOA1qfgxhao1_500.png

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Marty J wrote:

4. Why do some people hate Spaceballs so fucking much?

This must be a cultural thing. Nobody openly hates Spaceballs over here. The fact that I'm not a huge fan myself is a shocker in most company.

Marty J wrote:

8. Blade Runner is good, a real film noir classic.
9. 2001: A Space Odyssey was the best sci-fi movie of its time.

Zarban wrote:

The Godfather is one of the greatest movies ever.
...
Princess Bride is great, great, great.
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Doctor Who is one of the most uneven shows I've ever seen, but I like it a lot.

None of the above are especially "unpopular" opinions. They're pretty much the mainstream consensus.

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Michael Arndt (TOY STORY 3) has written a treatment and is expected to write a draft of the script. (according to "sources")

"Boo hoo, Disney's going to sanitize everything to make it kid friendly."

Yeah, like the time Woody and pals almost burned alive in a roaring hellscape and quietly accepted the inexorable approach of death.

TS3 being the best -- and ballsiest -- of the franchise, this is stellar ( lol ) news if true.

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Presumably they're setting it based on the outlines George provided. Which, fine. The problem with him was execution more than concept.

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http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/11/05/s … exclusive/

STOP ROCKING MY WORLD STAR WARS NEWS

I AM A GROWN-ASS MAN

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I just saw it. It was fine. *shrug*

EDIT: Oh, except the martial arts stuff in the ferry segment, I enjoyed that a lot.

Doctor Submarine wrote:

Cloud Atlas isn't an anthology, it's a single film, and a single story.

Well said!

Doctor Submarine wrote:

I think that the Cavendish story is the weakest on-screen because the stakes aren't as high as what's being cut around it, but it's still fun to watch, and it has some great moments.

I thought the same at first, but ultimately his (dramatized) story is part of what inspires Sonmi to stand up and become Future Jesus, so the fact it's actually a humble and frankly silly story in itself is, as you said, part of the larger story. As they're cutting between each other, it's a reminder that Sonmi wouldn't be going through her story if not for Cavendish going through his. Point being, even small stories are worth telling.

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I am excited about STAR WARS for the first time in a decade. DON'T YOU BLOW THIS FOR ME TURBAN GUY

Teague wrote:

Do you think this is the sort of thing we could do a commentary for?

I'm already dying to do a commentary.

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Cuarón is my favorite director and if he is announced for Episode 7 I may seriously burst into tears, I'll be so overwhelmed with excitement.

Written, directed by, and starring RZA (pronounced “Rizza”), THE MAN WITH THE IRON FISTS is a throwback to the kind of grindhouse kung fu cinema introduced to the “mainstream” by KILL BILL. Tarantino and RZA met on that film’s production (RZA provided music for Volume 1), and presumably their mutual affection for the genre led to Tarantino throwing his weight behind what I can only guess is a long-time dream project for RZA, a film like the ones he loved growing up, starring himself as the hero.

I’ve done the fan film thing. I totally get it. I wouldn’t begrudge RZA his Mary Sue adventure at all if the fruit of his passion were, like KILL BILL, also a good movie. But Quentin is a kind of movie savant, who can watch movies and immediately turn around and do it without any prior training. RZA, unfortunately, is not Tarantino, and doesn’t do especially well with any of the many hats he wore on this movie (aside from the music he composed).

As a director, he doesn’t appear to have given the actors much to work with, with tone and performances wildly uneven through the film; visually he seems to have been under the impression that shooting well meant shooting more. As an actor, he’s dull and bland, lacking a proper director’s guidance, as well as lacking the screen presence to pull off the stoic hero. He doesn’t appear to have done much or any training to prepare for the role — his physique soft and undefined, his body language and posture slouched and unconvincing. When he puts on the eponymous fists and smashes them together, that moment in this kind of movie is supposed to feel like a powerful wild animal has just escaped its cage. Here it feels like a twelve year old wearing foam Hulk fists for Halloween.

The fists themselves don’t show up until very nearly the end of the movie, which brings me to RZA as writer. RZA shares screenplay credit with Eli Roth but has a story credit all to himself, so I’m going to assume the structural issues are part and parcel of RZA’s contribution. This 95 minute movie (which feels at least twice as long) spends easily the first half just introducing characters. RZA’s blacksmith protagonist — the archetypical Man Who Doesn't Want To Fight Until He's Pushed Too Far — isn’t Pushed Too Far until the last 20 minutes, doesn’t actually enter the fray with the iron fists until the final 5.

No no no. This is — or ought to be — a kung fu superhero movie. Can you imagine a Spider-Man origin film where Peter Parker didn’t get bitten by the spider until well into act 3? The event which pushes him to don iron fists ought to be the inciting incident, the rest of the story playing out as the blacksmith seeks to defend and/or avenge the people of his village.

But RZA didn’t want to just make a martial arts throwback film — he wanted to make all the martial arts throwback films. The film is so distracted by its need to pay homage to other films it forgets all about the putative story of the man with the iron fists until nearly the very end.

To be fair, when it comes to a movie like this, I don’t plunk down my cash for the story, nor the acting. I plunk it down for the fight scenes. A good martial arts movie is much like a good musical, but instead of songs, you have fight scenes. Like songs in a musical, the fight scenes should move the story forward and tell you something about the characters.

A schlocky martial arts film, on the other hand, is more like a porno. The story is a flimsy excuse to drive the action, the longer the better, and while some camera angles are better than others it doesn’t really matter as long as you can see the money shots.

Porno filmmakers understand what their audience wants to see, but for some reason most (American) filmmakers doing martial arts movies do not. A porno presenting its fucking the way THE MAN WITH THE IRON FISTS presents its fighting simply would not be allowed. The choreography (by Corey Yuen) is solid when you can see it, but the camera is almost always on a 50mm lens or tighter, rarely wider than a medium shot, and it's an unusual shot that allows more than one move to occur before cutting to another. It feels like RZA thought he had something to prove about his ability to make a “cool” movie, and in so doing just got completely in his own way.

It’s too bad, because there’s definitely a good (“for what it is”) version of this story, and a great fight-porn flick buried in the concept. But this isn’t it. Not even close. If you’re not a fan of the genre, this isn’t going to convert you. If you are, save yourself the disappointment.

In the relatively brief history of cinema as a storytelling medium, it seems like it’s been easy to pick out the major landmarks along the way, especially in the last few decades. Everyone who saw STAR WARS knew it had changed everything; a generation later, JURASSIC PARK would inspire similar awe and achieve equally enviable success. You see a film like THE MATRIX and you know, in your bones, you’ve just seen a new way to use the medium, something that will change its course forever.

Then again, sometimes it’s not so obvious. Sometimes a film takes its time to find its feet. THE WIZARD OF OZ; CITIZEN KANE; BLADE RUNNER — all classics of the medium, all flops upon release. But they withstood the test of time and are now appreciated and revered for those exact qualities which most likely alienated the contemporary audiences.

As of this writing, CLOUD ATLAS is performing poorly at the box office, taking in only $14.5 million in its first week against an estimated $100 million budget. But you would make a tremendous mistake to think this is a reflection of its quality.

Directed by Lana and Andy Wachowski — the directing duo behind the MATRIX films and SPEED RACER — in collaboration with Tom Twyker — best known in the U.S. for RUN LOLA RUN — the film spans a period of several centuries, following six stories intercut together, all occurring in different times and places, all related thematically and by the presence of common actors playing (different) characters in each story.

If there’s one thing I’m not, it’s a man who believes the Wachowskis can do no wrong. Bring up the MATRIX sequels and you’ve probably got about thirty seconds of discussion before I become unreasonable. And I’m about to squander any and all possible film snob cred by stating that I didn’t think much of RUN LOLA RUN, either. The trailers for CLOUD ATLAS were certainly ambitious, but did little to inspire my interest. Ultimately I went to see it because I try to see all the major releases like this, hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.

Joyfully, I got the best. CLOUD ATLAS is my favorite film of the year.

CLOUD ATLAS is a film that requires your full attention, but will reward you for it in the end. It jumps, sometimes extremely quickly, between its six stories, but — as the movie itself assures us early on — there’s a method to the madness. It’s not stylized for no reason — in fact, considering the Wachowski oeuvre, the filmmaking aside from the editing is surprisingly conventional. But, as the Kuleshov effect demonstrates, editing is where the story is really told.

And what is the story of CLOUD ATLAS? A difficult question to answer if one attempts to focus on the six interwoven threads, which are (from Wikipedia):

  • South Pacific Ocean, 1849. Adam Ewing, an American lawyer from San Francisco during the California Gold Rush, has come to the Chatham Islands to conclude a business arrangement for his father-in-law. He meets Dr. Henry Goose who offers a cure for the parasitic worm that is seemingly eating his brain. While ashore, Adam learns about the enslavement of the Moriori tribe and observes a slave being whipped. The slave, Autua, stows away on the ship and Adam reluctantly keeps him hidden.

  • Cambridge, England and Edinburgh, Scotland, 1936. Robert Frobisher, a gay, penniless, young English musician, finds work as an amanuensis to a famous composer, allowing Frobisher the time and inspiration to compose his own masterpiece, "The Cloud Atlas Sextet" while his master attempts to take all credit for the Sextet as his own.

  • San Francisco, California, 1973. Luisa Rey, is a journalist, sent to write a story about a new nuclear power plant. She meets Sixsmith, a respected nuclear physicist who decides to help Rey expose a conspiracy regarding the safety of a nuclear reactor. In the meanwhile, a hitman, hired by oil lobbyists, attempts to silence the exposers.

  • United Kingdom, 2012. Timothy Cavendish, a 65-year-old publisher, flees the associates of a jailed gangster author and ends up confined against his will in a nursing home from which he attempts to escape.

  • Neo Seoul, (Korea), 2144. "Old" Seoul has sunken partly beneath the rising seas, which are now held back by colossal sea walls that protect the rest of the city. Sonmi-451, a genetically-engineered fabricant (clone) server at a hyper-fast-food restaurant, is interviewed before her execution. Sonmi rebels against the totalitarian society that created and exploited her kind.

  • On one of the beautiful Hawaiian Islands on post-apocalyptic Earth, a tribesman named Zachary living a primitive life after most of humanity has died during "The Fall" is visited by Meronym who arrives on a fusion-powered hover-yacht, and is a member of the "Prescients," the last remnants of a technologically-advanced civilization. After Meronym saves Zachary's young niece, he agrees to guide her into the mountains in search of Cloud Atlas, an outpost and station where many unburied dead bodies lay, where she hopes to send a message to people who have left Earth and are now living on other planets.

The stories are connected in two ways. The first, and most obvious, is that the main character of each story comes to know the story that preceded, and discovers this story at a crucial turning point in his/her own. The experience of the protagonist of the prior story heartens the protagonist of the next and leads them to take the action that will inspire the next. CLOUD ATLAS is a story about why we tell stories, and how our actions affect each other down the generations in unexpected ways.

The execution of CLOUD ATLAS makes it also an exploration of how we tell stories, intercutting the action of the stories together in ways that at first seem inexplicable, but then it slowly becomes clear they are thematically, and structurally, related. The stories are told in a mostly linear fashion within themselves, but sewn together in the most astonishing example of vertical storytelling I’ve ever seen. We jump rapidly between time periods as each story reaches its second act break, its bad guys close in, its dark night of the soul. Despite the different times, places, antagonists, and explicit goals of the protagonist, underneath it all the experiences are fundamentally the same. In each case a story about love and trust, in each case a story about defying the so-called “natural order” which is revealed to be a mere construct of those who most benefit from the status quo.

Even the name itself hints at this notion — a “cloud atlas” is a visual guide to identifying the various types of clouds (cumulus, cirrus, nimbus, etc.). The clouds come in various shapes and sizes, can be classified as different from each other, but ultimately they are all made of the same stuff. They are all, despite their appearances, identical. They can change from one to the other over time, combine, disperse. Change, indeed, is the only true "natural order."

The name appears in the 1936 storyline, when the composer Frobisher writes the “Cloud Atlas Sextet,” a symphony in six movements. The structure of the film follows this same conceit — six stories interwoven, recurring motifs that follow, transpose, reinterpret each other as the work progresses, each moving, sometimes in harmony and sometimes in discord, through the major movements of modern storytelling. The structure of the film is perfectly literary, perfectly musical, and perfectly cinematic all at once. I have honestly never seen anything like it.

CLOUD ATLAS has come under a bit of fire for its race-bending — Caucasian actors portrayed as Korean, in particular — but in this film’s case it is thematically appropriate and respectful. The same actors portray characters in different eras, jumping across lines of age, of race, of gender — another way of making the statement that under our different appearances, we are all in fact the same. Recasting just for the purposes of the different ethnicities would in fact have undermined this aspect of the story. It should also be noted that Korean actors portray Caucasian and Hispanic characters, and in the far-future story, the primitive culture is light-skinned and the advanced dark-skinned, a quiet inversion of the slave-owning white culture portrayed in the earliest time period. It’s not about how you look, or even really who you are. It’s about what you’re made of.

There are gunshots and car-chases and VFX aplenty, but this is not turn-off-your-brain moviegoing. This is a crank-it-up-and-sit-up-straight experience, a movie that asks you to meet it in the middle. It wants to tell you a story — six stories about one story, more specifically — but it wants you to engage with it, to be an active participant rather than a passive observer.

Studios don’t make movies like this anymore. The studio penguins think the audience can’t handle it, won’t try. So they produce movies full of color and light and sound and fury all signifying nothing. A movie has arrived at last that trusts and respects its audience, that delivers all the spectacle but believes in the audience’s intelligence rather than insulting it. And I despair that the box office is on track to prove the penguins right.

I have little doubt CLOUD ATLAS will be recognized twenty years from now as essential viewing for all serious students of the art of cinema and storytelling. But will it be to study the moment the path of blockbuster filmmaking was altered, for the better and for good? The film that proved style and substance, thought-provoking and profit, need not be mutually exclusive? Or will it be to speculate, and lament, over what might have been?

Vote with your wallet. Go see CLOUD ATLAS.

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I have only ever heard it pronounced as homophone to "smog." According to Wikipedia, Tolkien derived the name from the German word smugan, which would imply to me that he heard it as "aw." So "ow" is technically incorrect -- but, if PJ was the one pronouncing it that way, more than likely that's the way it'll be in the film.

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

Gollum was all over the trailers, though.

Not for TWO TOWERS. All we saw was the shot of him crawling down the rocks toward the hobbits. We saw his back, heard his voice, but didn't see him full on until the film.

After that, of course, he was no longer a secret so they showed him normally in the ROTK trailers.

The last movie I remember coming out without much fanfare was CROUCHING TIGER.

This is why for the most part I don't watch trailers or read movie news sites anymore. I've been able to recapture at least a little of the pleasant surprise movie releases used to be.

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Marty J wrote:

I was wondering... Does anyone else here think "X2" was overrated? The action sequence at Alkali Lake didn't seem particularly exciting to me.

"The Last Stand", on the other hand, was IMO a fairly palatable action flick

Okay, no. I'm not even a hardcore X-Men fan and "Last Stand" was a piece of shit.

X2 may not hold up as well in retrospect, it could be that on review I will think less of it than I used to, but there's no way time has been kind to the third installment.

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FireFighter214 wrote:
avatar wrote:

Carrie Fisher to reprise her role... big_smile

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts … 2110147331

Wow, it seemed like there was some real bitterness in that article.

The Daily Mash is a satire site like The Onion. Just so we're all clear.

EDIT: Also, not mentioned in this thread yet, George is going to be donating the majority (or possibly all -- conflicting reports) of the $4bil to charity and education. So I guess we're not allowed to be mad about the prequels anymore.

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I think that's brain-meltingly likely, quite honestly, especially if AVENGERS 2 does as well as the first. He just won't be at the helm of Ep.7 because he's already committed to AVENGERS 2 and they come out the same summer.

Also, AVENGERS 2 and STAR WARS 7 will now come out the same summer.

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Yeah, I think the problems with previous Marvel films are on Marvel's head, not the result of Disney interference.

Teague wrote:

Wonder about fanfilms.

I don't. Game over.

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I can't even deal right now.

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Apparently not only is there the ROTS novelization, but in predictable Star Wars style ROTS is actually the middle installment of a trilogy, with a prequel novel leading up to the events of ROTS and setting the stage, and a follow-up novel about his first mission as Vader, which sounds like the actually interesting part of the story I wanted to goddamn see. And it's cheaper to buy the trilogy than just two individually.

So now I'm reading three fucking Star Wars novels when I finish Cloud Atlas. Just when I think I'm out.  mad

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neutral

I'll put it on my to-read list out of curiosity. Gonna be ready to pill the ripcord at the first sign of trouble though.

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roll

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Sam F wrote:

It's a professional program, and I'm not sure why people bash it so hard. Probably because it's Apple, and all the talk about them not caring about professionals; which I do think is valid to a degree, but I still think FCPX is great.

There are any number of articles, written by professionals, on why FCPX is not an acceptable professional tool.

And the belief Apple doesn't care about professionals arose in large part because of FCPX not being seen as a viable professional tool, not the other way around.