Topic: X-Men
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A very scary movie with which to end October!
Yeah, what happened to Cabin in the Woods? Something wrong with the audio?
Oh.
Oops.
If anyone has, like, planned their Halloween around having our commentary for Cabin in the Woods, get in touch with me and I'll send you an early copy. Otherwise - whoopsies, wrong order.
Heh. Thought it was November already?
No worries, man, at least you are honest
The X-Men is coming from inside the Cabin!!!!!!!
Last edited by Jimmy B (2012-10-29 23:18:58)
What a lovely surprise. Thanks guys!
Well, if you really wanted to you could just post up this week's release extra early & put out Cabin in the Woods on Halloween. If not I'm okay with waiting but you better be the next thing you put out on the website when you can.
Was very interested in the bit surrounding why Marvel initially licensed out various characters.
RE: they keep the license so long as they make a movie every X amount of years thing - is there any minimum requirements placed on what constitutes a film ? - would a studio be able to say "Marvel/Disney, give us millions otherwise we'll just make a 5min youtube short film every year and tie up your beloved character " ?
Thank you! Hurricane watched and listened to this one. Rockin' good times. And how did I manage to miss Joss' Astonishing X-Men? (oh, I have them now!)
I hope you get to the others sometime. I was at FullSail when 3 came out, and a guy who knew I read the comics invited me to go see it with a group of people who were also into the comics. The line was long, but we made it in, and we were SO excited, and the movie started, and...Jean Grey, and the rest of the movie, and...silence. Literally, everyone in the theater just trudged out, heads down, I assume trying to figure out how it went so wrong.
I can't wait to hear what you guys think about the other movies, but I totally dug this commentary, and the timing could not have been better for me!
From some commentary track:
Q: "What happens to a frog that is hit by lightning?"
A: "It Croaks"
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I was wondering... Does anyone else here think "X2" was overrated? The action sequence at Alkali Lake didn't seem particularly exciting to me.
"The Last Stand", on the other hand, was IMO a fairly palatable action flick (that, unfortunately, gets no respect from the fans). Since I never read the "X-Men" comic book, the (supposedly blasphemous) adaptation of the Phoenix Saga didn't bother me. You could compare it to "Star Trek" (2009) - Trekkies (like me) are irritated by its various canon blasphemies, but the "general public" can happily ignore them and enjoy the mindless action.
I think X2 is the far superior film although it does run out of steam in the third act. I also don't think The Last Stand is awful but the blatant disregard for some characters pisses me off. And I'm talking as a fan of the other films, not the comics (never read one). As for the action, I didn't feel a lot of it was particularly well handled to be honest. The third act is ok, it had some good ideas but it felt to me it was trying to distance itself from the previous films rather than be a continuation of them.
And whether or not the dealing of the Phoenix Saga was blasphemous, it sure was dull. You'd expect something supposedly that important and big to be more epic. Not just a bunch of mutants fighting each other on an island and Wolverine killing her with love. Also, the scene after the credits makes Xavier's death scene irrelevant therefore making Phoenix pretty useless as that was the most important thing she did.....
Last edited by Jimmy B (2012-11-02 00:18:22)
I was wondering... Does anyone else here think "X2" was overrated? The action sequence at Alkali Lake didn't seem particularly exciting to me.
"The Last Stand", on the other hand, was IMO a fairly palatable action flick
Okay, no. I'm not even a hardcore X-Men fan and "Last Stand" was a piece of shit.
X2 may not hold up as well in retrospect, it could be that on review I will think less of it than I used to, but there's no way time has been kind to the third installment.
Also, the scene after the credits makes Xavier's death scene irrelevant therefore making Phoenix pretty useless as that was the most important thing she did.....
OK, that "conciousness transfer" thing can be considered just a last-minute cop out... but it's not enough to completely ruin a movie (it didn't ruin "Star Trek II").
"X2" tried to be a character-driven movie, but I feel it didn't fully succeed in that regard. That's why I tend to focus more on the action beats (and overall, "The Last Stand" seems to be better paced than "X2").
"X-Men" and "First Class" (especially the latter) are the only installments that really made me care about these characters.
I must admit the third one is pretty mindless and can't compete with really good comic book movies (like "The Dark Knight" or "The Avengers"). I'm only saying that I found it fairly palatable when compared to the overly-long "X2". "X2" seemed a bit self-indulgent, maybe someone could Phantom-edit it to a more reasonable length (there's something to be said for Aronofsky-style brevity).
Last edited by MartyJ (2012-11-02 00:58:15)
X3 isn't entertaining on an action movie level though, it feels like a TV movie, the most generic and boring shots throughout, and tons of cgi all over the place.
X2 absolutely trounces it within just the amazing opening action sequence, though I agree that it never matches that throughout the rest of it (Bryan Singer just isn't a very ambitious or interesting action director, see Superman Returns).
Jimmy B wrote:Also, the scene after the credits makes Xavier's death scene irrelevant therefore making Phoenix pretty useless as that was the most important thing she did.....
OK, that "conciousness transfer" thing can be considered just a last-minute cop out... but it's not enough to completely ruin a movie (it didn't ruin "Star Trek II").
I didn't say it ruined the movie, I said it ruined the point of the Phoenix character. Which it did.
Also-
X3 isn't entertaining on an action movie level though, it feels like a TV movie, the most generic and boring shots throughout, and tons of cgi all over the place.
What Bullet said
(Bryan Singer just isn't a very ambitious or interesting action director, see Superman Returns).
Argh, that movie... It was a bad call, Ripley. Bad call!
I'd be happy to see more movies like "Apt Pupil" or "The Usual Suspects" from Bryan. The best part of his input into the "X-Men" franchise was probably the gay allegory.
Too bad Matthew Vaughn won't direct the new one (Bryan Singer would still be a valuable co-writer).
Last edited by MartyJ (2012-11-02 01:25:43)
I haven't watched any of the X-Men trilogy movies in years, probably not since 2007, actually. But I really liked X2. I thought it was a great sequel, perfectly building upon the foundation of the first. My memory of it makes it the best X-Men film, even over First Class, but as I said, I haven't watched it in a long time, so like Dorkman I'm not sure if it would hold up to a rewatch. I've got the DVD, I'll have to test that sometime soon.
I never understood all the hate for The Last Stand, though. Word of mouth was so bad that I skipped it in the theater, and I ended up watching it on hotel pay-per view shortly before it hit DVD. I was pleasantly surprised by it, honestly. It's not a GREAT movie, and it's certainly weaker than its immediate predecessor, but I think it's roughly on the same level of the first X-Men. If The Last Stand is a weaker film, it isn't by much.
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