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I actually do think we'll see the wildling horde approaching the Wall next week, that's probably going to be our omg ending as far as the Jon Snow storyline goes. And it might even be the final image of the episode -- as closers go, that's a pretty good one.
Either way, I think Lady Stoneheart is gonna be in there, too - chronologically that happens immediately after the RW, so it makes sense to get to it now rather than next season.
Well if that's the case, then what will be the big OMG that closes the episode and the season and gets people speculating about next season?
Season One closed with OMG dragons!
Season Two closed with OMG Walkers!
Season Three... ?
There's little evidence that Sansa has been sheltered, just conjecture. Never mind the fact that she's been reared in the cold North by relatively cold people and by a family that took its even younger family members along to an execution.
The younger boys were taken to the execution. Not Sansa and Arya. They're back at Winterfell getting Lady Lessons from the Septa. Sansa has absolutely been sheltered by her parents - her whole existence is about getting prepped to marry her off to somebody. Her story is all about a naive girl getting a big rude face-full of the awful real world, and how she starts to come to grips with it.
The reason I'm interested in Sansa is we don't know if she'll learn to play the game but still keep a shred of her humanity, or will she go full Cersei and become a very successful monster? Right now, between the example of her own mother and Cersei, clearly the smart play is to go the Cersei route. And I wouldn't rule out that being the sad ironic end of her arc. But we don't know yet.
Well, if I was assigned to write it....
Early on, maybe right at the start of the episode: The morning after the RW, the Freys are celebrating and mopping up. We see Robb's body with his wolf's head sewn on, Catelyn dumped in the river. Flawless victory for the Lannisters. Sad, sad, sad.
Follow somebody else for a while... then back to...
Arya's vision where she wargs into Nymeria and pulls her mother's body from the river, then flees when the Brotherhood arrives.
Alternate, just show it straight rather than through a vision - but the vision is a nice way to tie it to Arya, whom we also need to see in this episode. So let's make the vision the beginning of her segment, then she wakes up from it - what did THAT mean? And then we resolve her adventure with the Hound and she's done for the season.
Follow others again for a bit...
End of episode, The Brotherhood around the fire, doing a ritual. We're not sure what it's about at first... mumbo jumbo mumbo jumbo... holy shit. Zombie Catelyn WTF
End credits.
That's why you can always spot House Swarthmore on the battlefield - they have the largest banners.
Also, reverse-engineering the process of writing the show, I would ask why we got a complete step-by-step tutorial of How The Brotherhood Raises The Dead a few episodes back, if they weren't going to pay it off until next season.
Arya even asks them if they can bring back someone who's lost their head - meaning Ned. Well, Arya, maybe not your dad, but...
And of all the reveals and reversals they could choose to end the season on, Lady Stoneheart is far and away the biggest bombshell.
Coldhands never shows his face, not even to Bran and the others. The only visible part of him are his frozen hands.
Which would make sense if he's trying to avoid being recognized by his nephew... or could be a red herring so we'll assume it's Benjen and be wrong later.
do you think Benjen Stark is still alive ? I'd completely forgotten about him.
Seems like the prevailing opinion is that Coldhands is the reanimated Benjen.
But of course that's also the easiest answer, so maybe not.
Well, that one is by far the best title, too...
Now you're talking.
If you only need five songs then you could just stick to the celebrity tales and call the album Brushes With Greatness or summat.
One final thought, a song called
Sam Jackson Almost Got Me Killed But Then He Saved My Life (Motherfucker)
could be your American Pie. Srsly.
Dunno if this will help shake anything loose, but -
When I was doing the Beatles project, Neal Aspinall once remarked that the lads made an important breakthrough when they realized a song didn't have to be songwriter-centric (as in "I'm in love, I'm so sad right now, I like to drive my cool car really fast" etc.)
They started writing songs that were directed toward other people - She Loves You, You're Gonna Lose That Girl.... At the time, this was pretty unusual in pop songs.
They kept heading that way, next thing ya know they're just outright telling stories about people. Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da, Eleanor Rigby, Rocky Racoon...
So... if you can't think of anything to say about yourself, is there something you'd say TO someone? Or maybe there's someone else's story that needs telling?
Just a tip from the Beatles.
EDIT: For example, I'd like to hear a song that starts with: Hey, kid - get outa the street
EDIT2: Also:
In the case of a musical, you're writing someone else's words, and you know what they're supposed to say.
Randy Newman made quite a career writing songs from the POV of characters he made up just for each song. In real life he doesn't actually hate short people and he doesn't particularly love L.A.
Was there somebody somewhere who thought there would be?
Hmm. I can see how they might swap Shae for Dontos to streamline things a bit, yes.
But they did establish Dontos, even though he hasn't been seen since Season Two. I suppose they could have kept him just to have the scene where Sansa saves him by manipulating Joffrey, without intending to use the rest of his story as written.
But yeah - whether it's Dontos or Shae, somebody whispering in Sansa's ear and suggesting a plan of escape would be a good breadcrumb to drop next week.
Well, yes - she's the poncy Stark, but that's not even entirely her fault. It was pretty much her destiny to get married off to some nobleman or other, they were training her for it. (Arya too, but Arya wasn't having it. She's the aberration in the family. 
So yeah, it's made Sansa a bit of a lump for quite a while, but Martin knew he was drawing on a big canvas, it makes sense he would leave some characters to be late bloomers.
Yeah, you gotta give Sansa a lot of slack. This all started when she was fourteen goddam years old, and look at what she's been through since then. Most of it completely on her own.
What's interesting is that Cersei has basically been coaching Sansa on how to play this game, and she's already starting to catch on. The question is, how good at it will she get?
Now that you mention it, that's very likely the way they'll do it. They don't have the time for a lot of extra business on the show-pretty much everything is there for a reason. And they took the time to do the Dontos setup.
Which paves the way to bring Dontos back early next season, hey remember me? You saved my life etc etc. Then let them build their plot for a few episodes, then flip that all on its head with the Joffrey Surprise mid-season.
Back half of the season is the fallout from that - Tyrion accused, Cersei goes batshit, Sansa and Littlefinger run for the Aerie. And then the season-ender (or episode 9 ) Tyrion pays a call on Dad.
EDIT: New thought - it would make a certain kind of sense to bring Dontos back in the last episode of THIS season and introduce the idea of a plot right now. That could plant the seed for next season's arc: Sansa Makes Her Move
I'm curious if they'll get another scene with John and Ygritte before they're split up for good
Oh, wait - yes! All that's left for her to do is get killed. That would certainly make a solid season-ender for Jon and the whole Wildling subplot.
It would mean they'll have to do the Wildling attack in the final episode - but they've been building to it for several episodes, so...
yeah, I'm gonna bet next episode we say byebye to Ygritte. Makes more sense than bringing her back next season and whacking her then.
But I believe we will see John Snow become one of the dragon riders before the end of the story.
I absolutely think so too.
In the books, yeah - same here. I'm hoping for a serious revenge spree once Arya graduates Assassin School.
On the show, I gotta go with the easy answer - Dinklage has made Tyrion much more sympathetic and adorable than the one I imagined from the books.
Coulda fixed Daenerys for me while you were at it. I misspell her name more often than I get it right.
And not to be an arsehole, but we're talking about the TV show in the books thread and the books in the TV thread
The threads are for book readers and non-book readers. Topics within each are up for grabs.
Trey wrote:Ummmm.....
...Did I imagine that part? I swear I remember that happening.
She thinks about it, but ultimately doesn't do the deed. Probably because that's even more cruel. Ever since, the question of whether the Hound is dead or alive has been uncertain.
So like Phi says, he's probably alive (or alive-ish) and will show up again at some point.
We also see Jon get burned in the series when he fights off the wights on the Wall - which is about the only argument I know of against him being Targaryaen. But I justify it because he's only half-dragon whereas Danaerys is pure (if incestuous) Targaryaen.
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