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I thought it was ok, like an extended Intermission, but not having seen either Hunger Games or John Carter it didn't do much for me - and that may be a problem with this format if you're going to really get into it and do more. With a commentary, you'll have it on DVD/bluray and thus it's very easy to also get that and be able to follow on or have seen it already but current theatrical releases (or worst, releases that have just been and gone) mean it's much less accessible, it'll be months before I can really engage with this episode ('oh that's what they meant by so and so' etc.).
And also, considering that you all had much to say about both films, why not just do a proper commentary for each? The Intermission format I feel works because it's discussion of broad topics that don't fit well into a single commentary, but an hour long discussion of a movie or two just seems a bit halfbaked, especially when it's two movies that have no common theme or connection other than the fact that they are recent releases. It's unfortunate as I feel that you all could do some great commentaries for Hunger Games and John Carter, but you'll likely not do these now because of this episode.
I believe the hour long discussion format might be better suited to discuss TV shows or something not already covered by Commentaries and Intermission. But that's just one fella's opinion.
Sharpe was a fantastic series and that's the role I most associate with Sean Bean - which makes his line of dialogue in FOTR when he cuts himself on a shard of Narsil amusing. Whilst I agree having an interest in the period helps, I'd say it's that good that it could even make one interested in the history.
Would you look at that! The timezone difference at last works in us Brits' favour - we can celebrate Easter with our families and be back in time for tea, cakes and DIF.
I don't see how that could possibly be a bad movie. Rob Schneider! Leslie Nielsen acting! An obnoxiously happy kid! Token Asian guy! Photoshopped Ninja swords! Goofy neon-coloured headbands! All on just the one surfboard!
To Demonoid I go.
Jimmy B wrote:(high fives redxavier)



Eddie wrote:Are you talking about in a cinematic context or just in general? GIve me one other parameter to guide the conversation.
As mentioned above I'd like to hear your thoughts in a commentary for something like Warrior or Bloodsport, where there's both an opportunity to discuss the principles of good and bad choreography as well as multiple martial art styles and how you personally feel about the training, discipline, philosophy and merits of each. Granted there's a bit of this already on the Crouching Monkey Hidden Crane and Karate Kid commentaries but more can't hurt, especially for arts such as panchak silat which you don't usually hear that much about.
Definitely choreography, as both you and Anthony agreed that Karate Kid didn't have very good choreography but I don't recall you elaborating very much on the specifics.
Personally speaking, the choreography I find the most appealling is combinations of blocks. Two dudes hitting each other is kinda boring. And one dude hitting another dude is really boring. But when you have two equally matched guys who are throwing all sorts of combinations at each other and nothing's going through, and it's getting faster and more elaborate and keeps going on and on, that just's cool. It's why some of the late 70s and 80s Kung fu films are so darn great, where you could have Jackie Chan and Sammo Hung in this complicated dance, sometimes up to 10 seconds of intense action before anyone actually gets hit. It's the highest form of 'movie fighting'. For the longest time, Western movies were the opposite. It wasn't so much about skill and speed but power, the hero need only have a single wide punch and their opponent would be down - which would very rarely be blocked or evaded.
I agree, to the certain extent that now my feeling is that the worst kind of movie is one that you don't remember at all. Even movies with bad qualities may have one scene which rocked or that otherwise boring artsy fartsy film had that scene which you will never forget for as long you live... but the film so forgetable where you aren't even sure you've seen it, that's got to be the least successful creative endeavour ever.
As a wannabe filmmaker, creating something that only provokes apathy has to be my greatest fear.
Nope! I recognised Cobra immediately as well, love that movie (and the soundtrack too
).
Oh 80s, I miss you.
I realise it's very poor form to ask again so soon, but I'd like to say that having Eddie talk lyrical about martial arts would be real sweet - intermission or full commentary, whatever!
Brian wrote:
How fascinating. I can sort of see where he/she's coming from, a first-time listener might well come away with that same attitude if they hadn't only listened to some of the 'negative' commentaries. Arrogance seems one of those words that gets thrown around too easily nowadays, and seems woefully out of place here.
Probably a prequel fan.
Awesome story. Was the ring always worn as a necklace?
Great video, I like Tyson more everytime I watch him speak.
It's a shame that the powers that be, whilst nodding the heads and agreeing with Tyson's impassioned arguments, will not actually do anything. Cuts to NASA will likely continue.
Has anyone listened to the BBC Radio plays for LOTR and the Hobbit? They're really good and if you haven't read the books, they're a nice 'inbetween' experience.
And Ian Holm voices Frodo 
There are some shots in the ROTK that look so obviously graded it's a little grating; quite a few especially with lighting around the eyes. Along with the dodgy comp, it even makes me go eurgh.
So instead of a powerful reaction shot of Eowyn reacting to the fell beast swooping down upon her uncle, it's this awfully fake shot.
So did Dorkman ever tap out for ROTK? Sincere props to him for coming so prepared to these and for saying stuff that wasn't simply regurgitating the official commentaries (which would have been easy to do).
Except that sending two hobbits worked. 
I don't think Gandalf knew exactly how they were going to do it, but I suppose the idea was to sneak in via some means. It was a stealth mission, as evidenced by the fact that Merry and Pippin were allowed to go rather than elven warriors. Further, Boromir and Aragorn were just letting them tag along until they got to Minas Tirith.
Remember too that in the context of Tolkien's world, a bunch of dwarves and a hobbit set off to get their gold back from a mighty dragon. Sometimes the heroes do just leave without a clear and feasible plan. The importance of the Council of Elrond was that something had to be done (not least because Sauron would have attacked that place soon).
The story's saying that you don't need to be a warrior to do something great, and that it's not so much your physical strength but mental fortitude that can get you to the finish line. Frodo, supported by his friend Sam, was the only hero capable of succeeding.
Trey wrote:Of course, I believe the real reason for the eagle plothole is that it just didn't occur to Tolkien at the time.
Possibly. It's just as likely because there wouldn't be much of a story without this 'plothole'. A lot of stories have a 'well if the hero just did this they wouldn't have a problem' element. Except the problem is the story.
rtambree wrote:Eagles v Fell-Beasts: from what we saw in the movie, those Eagles kicked Fell-Beast butt. They might not look like much, but they've got it where it counts, kid.
The eagles surprised the fell beasts but I wouldn't say they could outlast them in a stand-up battle. Besides, you'd need to bring several eagles (at least 9) to have a chance to get through and with that number you're announcing to all the world that you're coming.
I don't think the eagles would have worked.
The best argument against using eagles to fly the ring to Mt. Doom is that Mordor has both an airforce (fell beasts) and anti-aircraft (about a million archers), it would have been an endeavour as susceptible to failure as invading Mordor with an army.
There are changes that are actually pretty acceptable:
Arwen replacing Glorfindel
No barrow-wights
No Tom Bombadil
No scouring of the shire
Eomer replacing Erkenbrand
But there are others which are just crap. The Army of the Dead was very poorly used, raising more questions and plot holes, and there's the downright laughable bit with Gandalf having his staff broken by the Witchking who's apparently using the Force. The characterisation of Theoden and Denethor in particular are thin and lack any kind of subtlety. It's a testament to Bernard Hill's performance that he still remains somewhat likeable. Conversely, Sean Bean's Boromir is fantastic and arguably better than the book (where he's not that memorable except for dying).
And fucking Arwen... everytime she appears in the later two movies the pacing comes to a screeching halt. And why is she dying? Stop making stupid shit up!
I grew up with the Bakshi cartoon and I actually think it does a few things better than the movie. The most immediate that comes to mind is the introduction of Gandalf the White. I just think it's set up better. In the movie, Legolas just refers to something off-screen and it's just a really weird way to go into the scene. The ride out from Helm's Deep is a hell of a lot more dramatic too.
I'm so looking forward to this! I'll hoping to be in the chat for as long as humanly possible (though I suspect I'll miss ROTK).
Other topics:
- Use of magic in the films
- The shit that you don't see, i.e. prop and set designers going bananas on detail (Theoden's armour for instance has a pattern on the inside)
- Divergences from the books and whether they work or not
- What almost was (e.g. Arwen at Helm's Deep, Stuart Townsend as Aragorn)
- Was it right to cut Saruman's end from the theatrical versions of ROTK?
- Crew cameos
- Deleted scenes (Eoywn fighting orcs in the caves at Helm's Deep, epilogue scenes).
- The Hobbit adaptation
What about Princess Leia in Star Wars (ANH)? She undergoes no change in status, arguably learns to be a better person (the Leia of the first half would never have rushed out to hug Luke and Han), and doesn't get a medal at the end (she's the one handing them out!).
Oh heck, went to the supermarket after working out and now I can't remember what the hell I did!
Pukey and I have had our run ins over the years but I don't much like him.
Had my cardio workout today and I'm feeling better for it. It's hard to record or find some exercises in Fitocracy so some I'm not logging and others I'm fitting it in where it seems best fitting.
At work today I started on this concept called 'greasing the groove', as I've been unhappy with my push-ups. It essentially involves doing 20% or so of your max reps throughout the day as and when, with the idea being to practice and get your muscles familiar with the motion. So when I go to the loo or grab some water I do an inchworm and then 3 push-ups (because yes, I can do about 10 of them before my face explodes).
Eddie - are you going to sign up as well?
Brian - sorry you've not been feeling great the last couple of weeks, hope you manage to get back on the horse. Chicken soup?
So...I failed to complete my workout yesterday and am feeling shite about it this morning. About half way through doing walkout/inchworms I started feeling sick so I threw in the towel as I really didn't want to throw up. I had left 2.5 hours after eating before I began the workout, so either I need to allow for more time or I need to eat much less (it was a large plate of mostly vegetables) and also make sure to have more water before (but again, not too much!).
They were some tough compound exercises, with 30 secs to do as many as you can, and warm-up was probably a bit too intensive for me so maybe I bit off too much as well and peaked too early. Slow and steady wins the race as they say...
Wow, great work on that weights workout Dorkman. Were you in pain after? From the looks of it you've been building up for quite a while so perhaps this only breaks the sweat out!
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