Jimmy B wrote:

Joss just can't help himself, he has to kill something we like.

Well sure, otherwise you won't pay attention.  smile

I think I told this story in the Serenity commentary, but I saw Serenity at an advance screening and Whedon was there to take questions after.  The very first question was "Why did you kill Wash???"  (So the heck with Shepherd Book, I spose).     

Whedon's answer was that it's a given in a TV show that nobody (except guest stars) will die, but a movie needs more than that.  If the audience is convinced that nobody can die, the movie has no stakes.    So Wash and Book died so that in the final battle, the audience would be more likely to be invested.   As in "That crazy Whedon, he might freakin' kill ALL OF THEM!"

The death in Avengers was maybe an attempt to do that, but a futile one - not for one second did I ever think that any Avenger was in actual jeopardy.   Hell, even if they HAD tried to say one of them was dead, we'd all know that wasn't true.    The only thing in the universe more durable than Captain America's shield is the Sequel Cash Cow Force Field.

Matt Vayda wrote:

How can one assure that one does appear as a number in some system?


A valid question indeed.   Disclaimer: I'm only a semi-industry insider, but I'm pretty sure that most of what follows is true.  smile

Allllll righty then.

Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, iTunes, virtually any online viewing portal... these views DO get counted.  If you watch content via any of those systems, your view is recorded in a database somewhere.   And those tallies do have value.  However, it's important to remember that none of those views are of any interest to a TV network.   

TV networks (for the most part) do not own the shows they air, they are licensing them from the actual owners.   They license them for one reason alone - to draw viewers so that those viewers will watch commercials.  The more viewers, the more the networks can charge for ad minutes.   If the ad minutes sell for more than the show costs to license, everybody's happy.

The revenue from all those ancillary markets like Hulu and iTunes does not go to the network that airs the show - it goes to the actual owners of the show.     Which is a nice bonus for the owners, but contributes nothing to a network's interest in keeping that show on the air.   

It's possible that a low-rated show with crazy-high online views could give the owners some wiggle room with their network - "See, our show has a million more fans than you think, we just have to get them to watch it when it's on your network!"   But exactly how do you get those fans to switch to watching the show on air?   That's the hard part.   

More likely, high online views might signal to the owners that their show has a market, just not a market on air.    The owners might decide to license the show to the network at a loss, in hopes that they will make back the difference with those online revenues.      Maybe.  Again, it depends on all the specific factors of that particular show.

A good recent example is Community - when it went on hiatus its ratings were low and it was deemed to be in trouble.   While it was on hiatus, an unusual thing occurred - all of its episodes suddenly appeared on Hulu.   Not just the previous six-or-so episodes that had aired, which is the norm, but all episodes for all seasons.  Very unusual for a show still on the air.    I don't know for sure, but my guess is that it was a very clever roll-of-the-dice by the owners of the show. 

Remember, it's not the networks that evolved that last-six-episodes-online standard, it's show owners.   Putting all your episodes online while a show is still on the air is likely to reduce your DVD and syndication sales potential (and again, that money goes to the owners and not networks).   I'm guessing Community's owners opted to try a different idea - let's put them all out there during the hiatus, and give people a chance to discover the show and get completely up to speed with it before it comes back on air.  In other words: Let's trade some of that future back end in hopes of buying ourselves another season now.

At the same time, there was a lot of grassroots campaigning from Community fans that helped raise awareness of the show - and the availability of those back episodes on Hulu made it possible for anyone to check out the show to see what all the fuss was about.    And voila - when Community returned from hiatus, its rating were measurably higher, right from the first episode.     All those Hulu views meant nothing to the network - but the increased ratings did, and now Community is probably a lock for another season.   

As with all things in life, there are more factors at work than just the ones I mentioned... but I think Community is one of the few examples of a "Save ___" campaign that actually managed to move the needle in a meaningful way.

So as for your original question - I can only think of one answer, and it's not a particularly good one.  To truly help prop up a low-rated show, you  have to convince one or two million new people to start watching it.   

Because that is the only thing that matters to the network.   You can write all the letters you want to the network saying "I love the show, I watch every week, please don't cancel it."   And that's nice and they will be happy to hear it... but their problem isn't with the people who watch the show.   They need MORE than just the people watching already.  (Similarly, no study has yet proven a link between plastic dinosaurs sent to network offices and increased viewership.)

So it'd be great if you had a half-million Twitter followers or something, because if you said to your half-million followers "OMG U have to watch Fringe it's awesome #seriouslydoit" you might actually make a difference.  Because statistically somebody in that half-million could be a Nielsen member, and now we've got the potential for actual results.  Wil Wheaton may have kept Eureka on the air these past few seasons singlehandedly, just by tweeting about his appearances on it.

(Not surprisingly, there's already a whole new industry just for this - people with popular blogs and Twitter feeds etc, are constantly approached by advertisers who pay actual money for one Tweet a la "Just tried the new Starbucks Fruity Slushpile... yummy!"    Ka-ching.)

But if you don't have a million Twitter followers, I guess your only choice is grassroots - get the word out however you can, to try and find new viewers for a show that needs them.    Get the word out far enough and there WILL be Nielsen viewers in the crowd, and voila - one of them watching will represent all those other new viewers you dug up.  That's how statistics work.

There might be other ways to get the job done, and maybe someone will come up with one - just always remember that if your goal is to help a show stay on the air, your only weapon is to convince people to watch it when it's on the air.

In the meantime, there's certainly no harm in watching shows online, and at the very least you're telling the folks who made the show that at least ONE person out there likes it, and you're putting a couple of pennies in their pocket at the same time.    The only useless activity is pirating, which neither impresses networks nor compensates show-creators.

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Let's stay on topic, Jimmy.

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Matt Vayda wrote:

From a cover / concealment perspective, they have no cover (something to hide behind that will stop a bullet) and little concealment (something to hide behind, but won't stop a bullet, like that car).  I'm not sure why Jamie Fox is crouching and everyone else is happy standing.  They don't appear to be under fire at the moment, but the guy on the left should really be pointing his weapon in the same direction he's looking.

Story-wise, they just got ambushed and their SUV was wrecked, what they have is what they managed to grab before taking fire.   This particular scene is a very brief one, they're regrouping just after they've taken out all the visible targets.   You're correct that Chris is reloading - Foxx is too, he drops to one knee long enough to do it (my guess is that it made for nicer framing for the group shot smile).    Right after this, Chris and one Saudi stay and hold the entrance, the other three go inside after another of the team who was taken hostage in the firefight.   

They're only in this spot for fifteen or twenty seconds, not shooting and not being shot at.  And it's not a planned mission, it's a free-for-all - hence the shortage of mags and gear...

... so I guess we're still looking...  smile

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Well, that's covered in the story - they're FBI agents (and the other two guys are Saudi police).  So none of them are military, and at this point in the story they've just been caught in an ambush.  The only reason they have vests is that the plot established early on that they have to wear those when out and about.

Again, I think the Kingdom is a really well made flick and it certainly seems from the making-of that they went for a high level of realism.   Curious to see what Ash has spotted.

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I know enough about guns to know that they're all using proper trigger protocol (just rewatched the movie the other day, and in that particular moment they're not under fire).    I'm impressed enough that they ARE doing the trigger thing right, since so many movies don't even get that correct.    But I don't know enough about guns to spot whatever might be wrong.   

I suspect Eddie or Matt could, tho...

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http://www.trudang.com/images/kevin.jpg

Okay, maybe that's not Kevin... but you know one of these things was in that basement somewhere...

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So you can frankly get off your high horse about me wanting to share something I think is cool.

Atta boy.  wink

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You are not employed as a publicist for a filmmaker, movie studio, toy company, or publishing company. If you find yourself working as an unofficial volunteer publicist for the same... you might wish to ask yourself why.

-- Excerpted from Let Us Put an End to Geek Pride by Nick Mamatas

Much like 2010: Moby Dick, Pet Sematary 2 was more fun to make than to watch.

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Ewing wrote:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/biggE/Cabin.jpg

"Kevin" makes me laugh every time I see it.

I assume Kevin is most likely an analog of "Jason", but I prefer to imagine that somewhere in the menagerie there's some Lovecraftian horror inexplicably named Kevin.

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If nothing on Earth can do that (turn a human into an alien creature), then it's even more unlikely that something from somewhere else could.

This is why smart sci-fi has abandoned tropes like "space diseases" and alien/human hybrids, etc.    Humans can't cross-breed with coconut trees*, and coconut trees come from here.   And we stopped quarantining astronauts when it was decided that the odds of something from another world infecting human biology were *ahem* astronomical.    Humans can't even catch Dutch Elm disease, and we're mostly the same as elm trees, biologically speaking.

I stand by what I said.   To propose that the alien's propulsion juice just also happens to have the side effect of turning people into prawns is a plot contrivance that ignores everything we know about everything.    To chalk it up to "alien technology" is no more plausible than saying "a wizard did it".   It's mostly a good film, but that detail definitely falls into the magic bean category. 

On the plus side, you're gonna love the script I'm working on now - it's about a guy who invents a new form of diesel fuel that accidentally turns him into a horse.


* and produce offspring, obviously is what I mean.   You can do whatever you like with a coconut tree if that's your thing, but don't bother decorating the nursery, is all I'm saying.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/You_Can%27t_Cheat_an_Honest_Man.jpg

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I actually enjoy the chat now that I have a browser plugin that auto-replaces minecraft with your mom's old douchebag.

(to be fair, I've never tried your mom's old douchebag because I hear it's highly addictive.)

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Dave wrote:

Yeah, you guys are douches.

I found this review helpful.

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Dark Coyote wrote:

This brings me to another point. Everyone remembers "Return of the Jedi" as the one with "The Good Little Bears" beating the Empire. Most people question that, but thats a mute point to what I want to go into. George has said that the "Little Bears" as he views it are the Vietcong, and the Empire was the American Military... Seriously George? So you view the good gusys as the vietcong who killed how many innocent, freedom loving South Vietnamese?

The Viet Cong analogy wasn't George saying "The Viet Cong were good guys".   The analogy was that an indigenous population with seemingly few resources could stand up to an opposing force with overwhelmingly superior technology.   George was interested in portraying that idea, but that doesn't make him a Viet Cong sympathizer.

As we've pointed out before, the first Star Wars movie was about a poor farm kid who is recruited into a terrorist organization by a charismatic religious leader, and he ultimately destroys a government military installation... but this does not equal George Lucas supporting al Qaeda, either.  Although I wouldn't be surprised if al Qaeda loves Star Wars, talk about a great recruiting film.   What Palestinian kid wouldn't want to be just like Luke Skywalker?   Unfortunately, some of them actually get to fulfill that dream.

Dark Coyote wrote:

Guess thats why I love Act of Valor so much. It wasn't made by Hollywood, it was made by and starred active duty Navy Seals. Which is why I think, we need more military men making movies. Because they know what side they are on.

Rank and file "military men" don't know what side they're on, in terms of the bigger picture.  They couldn't fulfill their function if they were aware that their side is, in fact, the "bad guys" in a conflict.    A functioning military just follows the orders they're given.  They have to, and for good reason.  The labels of "good" and "bad" depend a lot on where you're standing when the shooting starts, or who's telling the story afterward.

Act of Valor is about as "Hollywood" as a movie can get, and right in line with most of the movies we've been getting since 9/11.   9/11 gave Americans a dislike of ambiguity - audiences want stories about gung-ho heroes who kill faceless evildoers.   True, over the past ten years we've also had more than a few movies that dared to suggest that the "war on terror" might have two sides to it... but those movie always tanked.     George Clooney had enough clout to get Syriana made, but he couldn't make audiences want to watch it. 

Meanwhile, Jim Cameron told the story of a heroic terrorist sympathizer by making him a blue cat-man from space and made a billion dollars.  Sometimes analogy is the only way to do it.

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This just in:  Disney expects 200M loss for John Carter

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A second thumbs-up for Blank Slate from me.

Too bad about Moby Duck - I saw it at the bookstore and thought the topic was fascinating, but hadn't actually read it yet.

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And then it gets weird...   

This has got to be a new record for fastest "overnight celebrity followed by inevitable meltdown" doesn't it?  It's been like, a week.   

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/j … 70255.html

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Interesting.  I don't recall hearing any negative attitude about LOTR at the time myself.

Titanic, on the other hand...  smile

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^^ That.

And whatever the hell was in those scrambled eggs, I've been pining for more of it ever since.

You will gives us the recipe, precioussss.  GIVES IT TO US.

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That's the explanation that makes sense to me, too - the eagles aren't pack animals or pets, they're a race unto themselves.   Generally they stay out of the affairs of men, and they don't always come when summoned.     

I always saw Gandalf's trick with the moth as an appeal to the eagles for help, and he seems actually surprised when one shows up.     In the books they also do some favors for Galadriel, but as Tolkien himself once said "The eagles aren't a Middle Earth taxi service."

Another interesting retcon I've seen is that the eagles are just as likely to fall victim to the power of the Ring as any other race.   So Gandalf chose not to ask the eagles to carry the ring.

Of course, I believe the real reason for the eagle plothole is that it just didn't occur to Tolkien at the time.

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Dave wrote:

Save all this for tomorrow guys, you're shooting your load way too early. There's nine fucking hours of this.

Oh, I have no qualms about repeating myself tomorrow.  Or ever.

Also, I have no qualms about repeating myself.

Sorry, what?

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I want to take this opportunity to request that tomorrow, all pants shall remain on at all times. 

I don't care how much orc draught is involved, I'm sticking with this policy.  You're welcome.

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The "scouring of Hobbiton" - a phrase I've just now learned, since I've never read the books - is portrayed by Galadriel in the movie as a "vision of something that might be".    Since I wasn't expecting a "scouring of Hobbiton", I wasn't disappointed by the lack of one in the movie.  Instead, I just take Galadriel's warning at face value - it's something that could have happened if Sauron hadn't been defeated. 

The book may have handled it differently, but in the movie, that's Frodo's prime motivation for doing what he does - he's hoping to prevent something terrible happening to the Shire. 

If the movie had ended with the Hobbits coming home to a devastated Shire after all they'd been through, well that sounds like a hella depressing way to end a movie.    Especially after watching half a dozen civilizations be almost wiped out already.   

I thought the gray havens ending gave a similar vibe to what you're describing, although it plays out exactly the opposite.  Frodo saves Hobbiton, but the experience changed him so greatly that he himself couldn't go back to his former life.    As a "cost of war" message, I thought it worked just fine.

Saruman doesn't die on-camera in the theatrical version, but Wormtongue does him in in the Extended version.