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I think it comes back to the William Goldman definition we've quoted more than once:  A "Hollywood movie" tells us what we want to hear, while an "indie movie" tells us what we don't want to hear.  It's more of a content thing than a budget thing, but nowadays it tends to be the same thing anyway.   

It's always a risk to make a movie that makes the audience sad, or angry, or think about things they don't want to have to think about, etc... unless you fix everything by the end, and leave them with a tidy "love conquers all" or "good always beats evil in the end" moral to take home.  There are people who can appreciate a movie that dares to say the opposite, and once in a while a movie like that can even become a mainstream hit, but let's be honest... it's rare.

Studio movies are so darn expensive now that they're reluctant to risk investing in a movie that a lot of people won't like.   Hence the sterotypical studio notes that always want the good guys to be gooder, the bad guys to be badder, the endings to be happy, and everything in between be simple enough to follow. 

As much as we like to complain about that, I dunno if I can really blame them... if it was ME who was about to place 70 million on the table, I'd be inclined to play the safer odds, too.

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I still feel sorry for Skinny Steve, but am happily surprised about Real Steel.

My Dinner With A Dre
A music enthusiast (Wallace Shawn) is shocked to discover Dr. Dre isn't a licensed physican.

Star Trek: First Contac
May cause drowsiness

Extremely Lou and Incredibly Close
Jack Black plays Lou Poland, a manic-depressive hired by an eccentric billionaire to invade the personal space of random strangers for twenty-four hours.

Gladitor
Samuel L. Jackson realizes he has a free weekend, and agrees to star in this superhero tale about a janitor bitten by a radioactive spider, who then sets out to clean up this muthafuckin' town.

Titnic
A raunchy sex comedy about four friends who set out to have a nice lunch at the park, and end up becoming YouTube sensations.   Starring Seth Rogan, James Franco, and two girls the producer found, god only knows where, but damn.

War Hose
To the embarrassment of her straight-laced husband (Colin Firth), a quirky British housewife (Kate Winslet) starts a campaign to convince British women to stop wearing nylons and donate the material to make parachutes for the war effort.

Kentucky Fred Movie
Fred goes on the road in his fourth feature.  Based on the hit YouTube series that has three-year-olds across America exclaiming "Seriously, what the fuck is this shit?  Mom?  Why won't you look at me?  I'm asking you a goddam question."



/Why yes, I AM supposed to be doing actual work right now, how did you guess?

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Doctor Submarine wrote:

I'd argue that movies are about storytelling, and that Hurt Locker told a better story.

I liked both Avatar and The Hurt Locker, but  the story of the soldier sent to an alien land who begins to sympathize with the locals and question his mission was definitely better than the one about the soldier sent to an alien land who begins to sympathize with the locals and question his mission.

They're both White Man's Burden movies, except in one the burden was blue. wink

Anyway.   The Oscars are the one night a year when Hollywood gets all dressed up and we pretend we're classy and smart.  King's Speeches and Hurt Lockers are always gonna have an advantage over Avatars and Star Warses when it comes to Best Picture.    Titanic and Return of the King are the only pop phenoms I can think of that bucked the trend within the past few decades.

Well, and Silence of the Lambs, still THE biggest outlier Best Picture in modern Oscar history, methinks.

Doctor Submarine wrote:

I'm still bitter from the six months when I was ostracized for being the only person I knew who didn't like Avatar.

I know how you feel... I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in my crowd who did.

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They're part of the "British Commonwealth" I do believe... along with other bits and pieces of the former Empire.

All right, fine.

Children of the Con
A documentary about the offspring of couples who met at science-fiction conventions.
(Warning: Disturbing content)

Source Cod
A daredevil icthyologist (Wil Smith) goes in search of a codfish fertile enough to revitalize the Norwegian fishing industry.

When Harry Et Sally
Oh hell, just make up your own for this one.

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Reading up on the rest of the nominees, I continue to be surprised at all the love Midnight In Paris has been getting.  It's a cute fun little movie (with a really lazy ending), but no more cute and fun than the movies Woody Allen has made every year for the past two decades. 

But the real surprise is that the phrase "Oscar nominee Jonah Hill" now exists in our universe.

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Iiiiinteresting.   It's definitely harder to predict bakeoff results now that it's five FX nominees chosen from ten possibles.  Picking three nominees from seven possibles was a lot easier.  smile

And as we learned here in the forum recently, preferential balloting (the same system the fx nominations use) yields interesting results.   In our case, we had an overwhelming favorite, while other films were just a few points apart.  But those few points made the difference between being in or out.

Unlike our vote, the Oscars never reveal the numbers.  So maybe Hugo was a favorite, or maybe it squeaked past Captain America or Ghost Protocol by one vote.  We'll never know.

Anyway, I'm glad that Real Steel made it in, that's the real surprise.  And my old colleague Greg Butler is now an Oscar nominee, and that's cool too.

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This i09 article points out something that massively raises the stakes on this entire issue.   We're now entering an era where actual tangible objects can be digitized and reproduced.  With an internet userbase already somewhat inclined to think "if it's online, it's mine", what happens when 3-D scanning and printing become the norm?   

The i09 article puts a positive spin on the idea - no more annoying transporting of goods, just re-create them locally from data! - which is true.  That's the aspect of digital media that media companies like right now.   Media producers luv the iPad and iTunes  and the Kindle, etc - the upside of all of them is the ability to deliver their goods to consumers at the speed of light.
   
Nike would luv to sell you shoes the same way, just as much as we'd all love to buy them that way.  Want.  Click.  Shoes!

The downside once again is the potential for piracy.   

Welcome to the next level: 
Hey, that's a cool hat/shoe/Star Wars action figure, I wonder if anyone's scanned that yet... 
*Google*  Yep, of course they have.
*Download*
*Print*
Duude, check out the awesome Star Wars action figure that I just DIDN'T buy.  Lemme send you the file...

I'm suddenly realizing the media piracy issue is just the beginning of a very large wave.

And anyone who read the above and thought, "meh, almost nobody has 3d scanners and printers at home", well, I remember when that was true for computers...

So in England "The King's Speech" is considered a commercial film???  smile

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redxavier wrote:

Trey - I meant genuine criminals as in organised crime. You can bet if it's profitable servers will be set up in Eastern Europe countries where they'll be mafia running the show.

Mafia has become a generic term for organized crime but only because the actual "Mafia" is famous for it.   

But "organized crime" actually means only that, crimes that are planned by groups of people in a systematic way.   As opposed to randomly snatching a purse, or killing in the heat of anger... or having a couple of illegal movies on your hard drive.

The case against MegaUpload specifically accuses them of organized crime, among the charges are "Conspiracy to commit racketeering", and money laundering.     These are the exact same laws used to charge any other form of organized crime, including Mafiosi.
   
If the accusations are true, MegaUpload are "genuine criminals" and were committing organized crime.   These weren't kids in a dorm sippin' Mountain Dew and trading a few kewl Doctor Who episodes.  (It's just their customers who were. smile)

And neither were these folks, who were shut down last year and sentenced this week:  http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/ninjavideo-copyright/

As for the oft-repeated oddball argument that crimes shouldn't be prosecuted because there'll always be more crime, welllll, I just don't buy that as a blanket policy.  wink

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redxavier wrote:

I'm curious, what the first two kinds of close encounters? I always wondered whether that confused people.

The early commercials and teaser posters showed nothing of the actual movie, they were all about defining the title, a la:

First kind: Sighting, Second kind: Evidence, Third kind: Contact
Coming soon: Close Encounters of the Third Kind

It was all very ominous, and it worked.  Oh cool, the Jaws guy is gonna do a scary movie about aliens!

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fcw wrote:

I do not believe that story means what I thought it means.

The fault lies with FamilyVideo.com, who clearly do not know how to read a press release.

That being said, I wish I'd known about the reading.  I absolutely would have gone to see it.

EDIT: Oh goddamitsomuch, they did Shampoo just last night.

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Shockingly, FamilyVideo.com turns out to not be an example of reputable journalism, when it comes to fact-checking.

This story includes some rather important details that FamilyVideo missed...

EDIT:  Heh, not surprisingly Teague and I were in a dead heat to instantly crush THAT rumor.  smile

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rtambree wrote:

Heat
Gladiator
The Fountain
The Road
Barry Lyndon

That's a good list.   

And I've got good news for you about The Fountain.

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Holden wrote:

Also, you people are terrible at writing bug reports.

http://www.trudang.com/images/butteague.jpg

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redxavier wrote:
Owen Ward wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369

There goes Megaupload!

Nonsensical. All this will do is drive filesharing sites to regions where they cannot be touched, where they will then be run by genuine criminals.

According to the indictment, Megaupload ARE genuine criminals.   They weren't shut down because they happened to have some infringing content on their servers, they were shut down because:

  • They not only knew they had infringing content, they privately encouraged it

  • They claimed to remove infringing content when identified, but didn't

  • They used that content intentionally for personal gain

  • and more, all suggesting they were willfully, purposefully breaking laws for years now

So let's not be assuming Megaupload is a bunch of sweet kids who happened to have some movies on their server.   The Justice Dept. has presented evidence that they were an intentionally law-breaking enterprise, and made millions at it.   This case didn't come out of nowhere yesterday, it's been on ongoing investigation.  And you don't get a search warrant until a judge reviews your evidence and is convinced you have a case.

And if the evidence ends up not supporting the charges, well, that's now for a court to decide.   That's how we do things in the Western world.   

redxavier wrote:

Let's shut down dropbox too while we're at. And youtube. And ftp sites.

All of which has been attempted, sometimes with success.    As a result, most every site that wants to operate as a legitimate business has now implemented some kind of takedown policy, so copyright holders have a process to identify and request removal of infringing content.   

As someone who has requested removal of MY content from YouTube, MySpace, and at least one other site (Vimeo I think it was) I can tell you that in every case the removal was instantaneous.   Legitimate sites have learned to take copyright infringement issues very seriously.  (And if it turns out any of them simply hid the content and lied about removing it, then I hope the Justice Dept. goes after them, too.)

It's not a perfect system, no, but I still prefer it to the potential SOPA model, where theoretically my identification of infringing content could be used as grounds for the Justice Dept. to shut down YouTube, and even sites that linked to YouTube.    The potential for abuse of that kind of power is far too great to allow into law.

Instead, the Justice Dept. had to do it the old-fashioned way - gather evidence, present it to a Grand Jury, convince them there was sufficient evidence for indictment, then contact law enforcement in another country and convince THEM a crime had been commited, before they could finally take action.   And I'm fine with that.

redxavier wrote:

And, oh wait, the internet's gone because the entire world wide web is built upon the principle of exchange of data - ergo a potential means of distributing copyrighted material.

And that's why I support the Megaupload action, but not SOPA.  Civilization's a tricky thing.   We've only been attempting it for a few thousand years now, it's still a work in progress.    The only 100% safe society would have no freedom.   A 100% free society would offer no safety.    Instead, we try to split the difference, allowing freedoms even though we know they can be abused, and choosing instead to prosecute the folks that do the abusing.    (Sometimes the pendulum swings too far in either direction, but as I say, it's a work in progress.)

The internet, cars, guns, steak knives, bowling balls, blank DVD's, printing presses, and cups of hot water can all be used to commit crimes.    But all of those things can be used for perfectly legitimate, non-criminal activities as well.  So, many things we let go unregulated, and others we've chosen to allow within certain guidelines.    If you're too young or too old to do it safely, you can't legally operate a car.   If you're a convicted criminal, you can't legally own a gun.  But if you legally own a car or a gun or a steak knife, and then use it to do an illegal thing, society takes action.   

So yeah, the downside is some folks will still get hurt or killed by cars and guns and steak knives.  And sometimes content will get pirated.   But banning cars, or crippling the internet, or making everyone eat steak with a spoon, isn't the answer either.

redxavier wrote:

And what's more, have some goddamn security at your own offices and don't flood the awards folk with screeners AKA Copy Me.

As someone who got a stack of awards screeners last month, I can assure you that they are MORE copy-protected than consumer versions.

Every disc I received has a special menu up front which states the following:

The disc is the property of the studio, and they can assert their right to reclaim it at any time.   It can't be lent or sold, and many of them even demand the disc either be destroyed or returned to the studio by a specified date.   They also state that the disc is individually watermarked so that any pirated copy can be traced back to the exact person it was issued to.

You then have to press the menu button marked ACCEPT before the movie will play.  And when it does, the movie has "Property of _____, not for public use" etc.  burned across the screen.

The only screener I got that wasn't like that was Deathly Hallows 2... because it's already been released to video.  So they just sent me a regular copy, same as you'd get from the store, with none of the above disclaimers.

The reason for this is obvious, since Hallows 2 is already out, it's already pirated.  This is simply a given, it's well known that absolutely everything that gets released to video will be available in pirated form, usually a couple days before the street date.     (Invariably somebody at some retail store somewhere will snatch a copy and run home with it as soon as the new inventory arrives, or somebody's advance Amazon order arrived before the street date, etc.)

But the value of a screener of a movie that isn't on video yet - I got a few that weren't even in theaters yet - would be immense.   So screeners have far more restrictions than consumer versions.

It's really not because studios think industry professionals would pirate their screeners, it's because at least some of those professionals have an idiot teenager at home who wouldn't be able to resist the chance to share Transformers 3 with their buddies before it's even out.  smile

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This just in:  http://mashable.com/2012/01/20/sopa-is- … ulls-bill/

Whaddaya know, democracy in action.

A quote from the article, by the sponsor of the bill itself:

The online theft of American intellectual property is no different than the theft of products from a store. It is illegal and the law should be enforced both in the store and online.

“The Committee will continue to work with copyright owners, Internet companies, financial institutions to develop proposals that combat online piracy and protect America’s intellectual property. We welcome input from all organizations and individuals who have an honest difference of opinion about how best to address this widespread problem. The Committee remains committed to finding a solution to the problem of online piracy that protects American intellectual property and innovation.

A statement which I have zero argument.  It was specifically the way SOPA would have attempted to deal with that issue that I and a few million other folks disagreed with.

paulou wrote:

Right after I briefly demanded your attention at Kate's like an hour ago, I immediately regretted not mentioning to you how awesome I think Ark is.

Oh, now it makes sense.  I misheard your introduction at the time, sorry.   sad  Michelle will explain it all later.

For the rest of you who weren't at the FX bakeoff, the above will never, ever make sense.   

Anyway, thanks!   But be warned, any FX artist who tells me they like Ark goes on my list of "people who might work really cheap if we do more Ark".  wink

maul2 wrote:

Well Trey, that's a hell of a thing you've got there. Definitely something to be proud of...although, those matte lines caused me slightly more than a touch of physical pain, but I think I can forgive you tongue

Yeah, there are some shots that never quite got there, for reasons that would make for a long, not very interesting story.   

But on the other hand, I bet there are a lot more matte shots in there than you think. smile

maul2 wrote:

  Show
who was the voice at the end? He sounds so remarkably familiar but I can't place it.

Like I said, I would have preferred to use another actor, that one was just cheap and available...

maul2 wrote:

  Show
Please please please tell me the man/ disembodied voice is an older, incredibly pissed off Gabe.

Well, for those that really want a spoiler, the answer is:

  Show
We considered that early on, but ultimately decided not to go that way (partly, to be honest, because Lost In Space did it).  I'm glad we didn't, because a lot of folks have made that same guess.  So we'll let them think that for a while longer, and then pay it off by revealing that it's someone else.

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Sweeeet.   big_smile

As the article says - this shows that SOPA isn't necessary for US authorities to go after foreign pirate sites; they can do that already.

They just have to do all that, y'know... gathering of evidence, and working with local authorities, and stuff.    Which I think is a pretty good requirement.

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http://www.trudang.com/images/donotwant1.jpg


http://www.trudang.com/images/donotwant2.jpg


http://www.trudang.com/images/donotwant3.jpg

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So is DiF doing the Dark Wednesday thing?

By the way, did we ever actually mention SOPA in that Intermission?  I know that was sorta the intention, I just don't recall us talking about it smile

If not, I will just reiterate that piracy is a serious issue, ummkay?  But SOPA is not the answer, it's a bad piece of legislation that would do far more harm than good.  Umm, the end.

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He said exactly the same thing after Return of the Jedi.    But I'd like to see him really do it this time, if he can.  American Graffiti was a nice little personal film, maybe he would have done those for his entire career if he hadn't gotten trapped in blockbuster hell.  B ut now that he's a billionaire who runs a media empire, I wonder if he can make a "personal" movie that normal people can relate to.   

But best of luck to him, says I.