Looks that way, unless Botor shows up and says otherwise.
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Looks that way, unless Botor shows up and says otherwise.
Two excellent points. I totally agree. I'll probably throw in a line or two about how much faster it'd be going with better equipment. Just to give a proper scale.
At one point he drills through 20 meters in the time it takes to say 3 words. Unless there's meant to be dead air there, that's hella fast.
Dunno how to fix the time crunch issue yet, although I see what you mean...would you be able to pinpoint something in particular that defused it for you?
It's just, at one point they get called to come back immediately, then they just keep doing what they would have done anyway. In fact, they drill through an extra 200 meters of rock then they intended too. Which they do fast enough that I wonder why they didn't just drill it in the first place. Maybe if they decided to toss aside safety practices and attempt something much faster but really risky after they get the call?
Oh, and here's a punny title suggestion: "This is just a drill"
I like it. It read great in my head, the story and setting were easy to follow and the characters were all working. My only real quibble: it's really unclear to me just how crunched for time they are, they seem to be in a hurry but at the same time feel like they have plenty of time. Also the rate at which Dreadnought is drilling through dense rock with subpar gear seems a little outrageous.
I think we're on. I'm going to be late, but even at most it shouldn't be more than an hour. Feel free to do some nefarious plotting while you wait
Completely unrelated thing: Could we do similar name coloring in the actual chat? I would make it so much more readable.
Now I feel like an ass
I'm good for this week too.
Aw
We on for today?
I had it in my mind that we were skipping all of May, I forgot we were going to play tomorrow. I know Toby is gone for the weekend. I can probably do tomorrow if we want, but I have a cold, so I wouldn't mind skipping either. Any other thoughts?
Can I request a Friends in your Dungeon banner?
What a bizarre thing to say in response, considering that:
-ESB is acknowledged for standing on its own legs and in fact coming off stronger WITHOUT the sequel that undermines it
-my quoted statement emphasized how II was precisely not about "setting up the next movie", but about the plot of IIRLM's made two claims in part II/9:
A) Clones is "just a bunch of stuff happening between 1 and 3".
B) It cargo cults ESB by borrowing plot lines and imagery but forgetting all the substance.
B1) Oh and also that it tries to be the darkest of the three LOL!Complete horse:
A) It's got its own point and direction: tensions with the separatists and suspected shadowy warmongers leads to discovery of secret "arms race" leads to war breaking out.
What at first seems to be a new crisis unrelated to I, gradually turns out to be that same crisis coming back with a vengeance - culminating in the Sidious reveal at the end.B) All the borrowed imagery and plot structures are heavily modified to serve this new narrative with its own substance, and flair.
B1) When was the third where Vader would emerge and the Empire win ever NOT gonna be the darkest LOL - no refutation required, too silly.
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Which is why these more than superficial similarities only make up 5% of the substance and it's therefore silly to focus on them while describing the movie, or the drama in it.--
Actually Obiwan's the one possibly lured into a trap, if you go with the "Jango was in on it" hypothesis - Anakin certainly wasn't lured by anyoneAnd the parallels pretty much end there, 10 times flimsier than the one's named by Squiggly between 1 and 4.
I was going to write a whole thing here to better articulate my point but then I didn't. The core is that both these films are about journeys. ESB tells a strong compelling emotional story that causes our characters we care about to grow and change, AotC goes through the some the same motions but the only character that has any arc is Anakin and his is shallow. The actually journey that's taking place is the decent of the Republic into war. Maybe that works for you but I don't enjoy The West Wing either.
Which of the plotlines are you talking about here?
If it's the mystery plot, i.e. the main plot mostly carried by Obiwan, then it's mostly carried by the discovery and tension and Obiwan/the Jedi coming off as appropriately concerned and worried about it all - those emotions are shown in a natural fashion, not "told".Or are you talking about Anakin's subplot? LOL, well first of all this is sometimes true and sometimes not, but that storyline is a mess way beyond just emotions being told not shown
The only emotions displayed by Obi-Wan in this movie are confusion and annoyance. He goes about his quest like it's just another job and his reaction to even the clone army is basically "well that's fucking weird, moving on." His whole story has no emotion to it and just happens to show up at places that move the plot along while doing something mostly unrelated.
That's the least important part, though - what matters is the meat of the conversation, namely Dooku revealing that the Sith is controlling the Senate and claiming to fight against that, and the TF having joined him after having been betrayed by him after EpI.
This is part of that "red herring" that I described - at the end, it turns out that this "new development", the emergence of 3rd parties etc., was all just a ruse and it's always been that same conspiracy from EpI all along.
It also reintroduces Sidious back into the plot, after already having reintroduced the TF.
Except that Obi-Wan just ignores and dismisses all this information so it's actually just an excuse to talk to the audience 'cause George doesn't know how to show is these things instead.
He goes dark on Tattoine and is then mildly angrier/gloomier than before - how is that a reasonable "arc"??
More like THIS is a set-up for the next movie.And while there's technically an "arc", or an overall sort of structure to the lovestory, once you zoom in even just one bit it's the most disorganized mess ever, so have fun lauding that
It's not a reasonable arc, but at least it is one. No one else in this movie has any kind of growth. Hell, Padme manages to fall in love without it having any kind of impact on her character.
Jango dragging him around and shooting missiles at him and them suspensefully hanging over the abyss is all "fighting", baby.
More like awkward stumbling around because suddenly everyone for got how to fight, but sure.
That's cause the point was never "omg is he gonna die", and the tone doesn't convey that either - compare the actual (considerably) pointless mess of an action scene in this movie, the droid factory, where the tone is implying that Padme is heading for her death but actually it's just a fun, tense action obstacle run.
Saying this scene is better than the factory scene isn't a very high bar for it to clear. Just because this is better than watching Jabba take a shit doesn't mean it's good.
No, the point was trying and failing to capture Jango and get some answers out of him.
It was also a snappy pay-off to the tensions and hints between the two in their previous scene - the exhilirating effect is emphasized in the way the action suddenly starts after a few seconds of the camera hovering above Slave I.
Sure that's Obi-Wan's reason to fight Jango, but my point was what's the scriptwriters reason to have them fight here? Sure it pays off some tension between them, but the dogfight scene above Geonosis does that better. It exists purely to be an action beat and the fact that you could cut it and nothing would feel missing says a lot.
Okay, I'm kind of more interested in addressing informed criticism, or criticism that is thought informed - sketchy memories like this lack any pretense, so I have much more of an "eh whatever" attitude about it.
Fair enough. It's not an argument I'm particularly invested in. Aside from some choice scenes, I find the prequels to be rather forgettable and it all kinda blurs into a grey-brown smear of boring in my mind. Which says a lot about how I feel about their quality as films.
The short answer would be that the talking is suspenseful and contains humor, the "plot" and the way it's "set up" both have impact, and in fact those scenes focus on the present, and not the future plot: someone's secretly set up an army on a hidden, otherworldly hide-out, and the sense of mystery, worry and uncertainty associated with that are conveyed in the "talking", aesthetics etc.
I get what they're trying to do, the movie mirrors ESB which also mostly just set up for the next movie. These movies are carried by their character's arcs as they change from who they were to the people they need to be in the next movie. Padme's arc mirrors Leah's, Anakins mirrors Luke's and Obi-Wan's mirrors Han's. Except these mirrors are only superficial, Padme is stuck in a remote place with a man and falls in love, Anakin is tempted by the dark side and lured into a trap, and Obi-Wan gets captured and used as bait. The depth of character just isn't there to carry the film like it is in ESB, and George isn't a good enough director to show is their emotions so they constantly have to tell them to us. Egh.
RLM actually thought it was the most interesting cause no lightsabers, but k.
That's just him wanking about how much he hates the Jedi in the prequels. It actually barely has any fighting at all. There is nothing driving this fight, there's no stakes. Any savvy film goer knows neither of them die here and Obi-Wan still plants his tracker. This whole fight didn't matter and had no reason to exist.
says nothing about the quality of said monologue.
Dooku literally explains the plot of the prequels then they do a "Join Me!" "I'll never join you!" bit so things can 'rhyme' with the OT. Non of this effects either of these characters or their arcs or matters again.
Interesting opinion - most didn't like Anakin that much and preferred when he wasn't on screen
Anakin is the only one with any kind of reasonable arc and Anakin - Obi-Wan is the only relationship that resembles anything real, the movie barely even exists when Anakin's not on screen.
Could be I'm remembering wrong, haven't seen it in a while. Remind me, what interesting happens at Kamino? I recall: 1) lots of talking to set up the plot of the next movie, 2) one of the least interesting fight scenes in Star Wars. On Geonosis I remember: Obi-Wan spying on a meeting, 2) Obi-Wan gets capture and monologued at, 3) silly factory scene, 4)more talking? some kind of trial? might have been a deleted scene, 5) Awww, Padme and Anakin are in love, 6) buddy cops are back together, 7) finally the jedi show up. On further review, this movie is only interesting when Anakin and Obi-Wan are together, which they aren't for most of the movie. Their dynamic is the only interesting thing happening, everything else is just to set up for the next movie.
Are you saying daytime Coruscant (in this movie) is more exciting than Kamino/Geonosis? I'm, like, trying to wrap my left brain around it, my right brain around it, the monkey, the lizard and the amoeba and I'm still like whaaaaaaaaaaaaa-
Nothing interesting happens on Kamino and Geonosis is mostly a slapstick comedy in a factory and people standing around explaining the plot. Coruscant was at least a mildly entertaining buddy cop film.
I'm mostly commenting to note that it's getting kinda snarky in here and I've lost track of who stands where. What's the core of everyone's arguments again?
*bump*
How we doin' on this, then?
Same
Just saw this, thought it was interesting:
It seems I have once again misjudged the value of my quest rewards. It's an issue I have.
So, Boter and Spiro wont be available next week, so the next time we play will be May 1st. After that I will be in Belize for 3 weeks, so the next time after that will be the 29th.
Best news I've heard all week. When's the first episode come out?
Thanks everybody. Y'all are like my internet family, and having your support means a lot. So again, thanks.
Thanks Teague.
I'm going to have to cancel for this Sunday. My sister died last night and I just can't
Callin it, the Doty is going to fight Ronda Rousey. You heard it here first!
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