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Eddie wrote:

Also, I want to create an online wager of how long Trey would make it through enter the void.  I say he either turns it off after the credits, or e rematches it three times.  No in between.

Just reading the summary on Wikipedia, I gave up when it said a Tokyo police officer shoots a white guy in the chest for dealing drugs. That's so ridiculous, it's beyond words. roll


As for Attack the Block, it's another film I'd never heard of and never would've seen if not for you guys. Going into it blind was rather nice, and as Mike mentioned, the movie keeps defying your expectations. I found it to be a fun ride from beginning to end.

But from very early on, I could see the problem the filmmakers set up for themselves by starting from Sam's POV during the mugging and then switching to the kids' POV from the rest of the night. We're given a strong negative impression right from the start, but the movie doesn't have the time to reconcile their villainous actions with their heroic actions. In fact, they almost seem like different characters. All attempts to make them seem like decent people are half-hearted, and the movie is relying on the goodwill of the audience to handwave the rest.

But really, there's no need for them to be villains, at all. For one thing, most poor kids don't mug people, and having a group of streetwise teenagers would've been enough to sell the movie's premise.

A group of kids is heading home after some Guy Fawkes night revelry. The meteorite crashes and destroys Brewis's car. Moses decides to take advantage of the situation. Sam, on her way home, comes across the kids surrounding the destroyed car and runs off to call the police. The female alien attacks Moses, he and the rest of the kids chase after it, and kill it. From there the movie can progress essentially as is. No need to make your protagonists unlikable assholes.

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Squiggly_P wrote:

Instead of seeing some character sacrifice themselves at the end of the film, that sacrifice happens before the film starts, and you get to see the ramifications of that sacrifice and it's effects on his family.

The character the audience would most expect to be the hero of the story dies before the opening credits, and so the focus falls on his grieving widow and her efforts to save her family. There aren't many characters like Mrs. Brisby, who is so clearly afraid throughout the whole movie, but still manages to do what must be done. I like it when my heroines and heroes are vulnerable and capable of making mistakes.


Squiggly_P wrote:

I've never seen The Last Unicorn, tho. Has it held up over the years? I might check it out. I know it's the movie that gave my sister her obsession with unicorns when she was a kid. Unicorns on everything.

I didn't have unicorns on everything; I probably decorated more stuff with dragons than unicorns.  But it did mean I had a pretty firm preference for fantasy.

I'm also probably not the best person to ask whether or not it's "held up," because I don't think I've ever gone more than a year or so without revisiting the film. It's not nostalgia for me, but years and years of well-considered affection. They're actually doing a special screening tour of the movie to celebrate its recent 30th anniversary and Peter S. Beagle will be at every event to do signings and meet with fans. There's no polite way to describe my excitement upon hearing that news. If you're well versed in animation, then there's no doubt it may seem a bit dated. It's also clear that they didn't have a huge budget for it. It's not as smooth or polished as some other films; the colors are bright, but may seem a bit flat to the modern eye. But the remaster is supposed to be gorgeous, and I can't wait to see it on the big screen. Here's hoping the movie has a ton of Japanese fans so we can get multiple screenings in Tokyo. big_smile

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My adolescence in movies was pretty much entirely defined by the Independent Film Channel. IFC kicked off around 1994, which was right around the same time I realized that I didn't like a lot of Hollywood movies. I'd always been more into books than movies or television, but IFC taught me that even if Hollywood won't make the kind of stories I want to watch, someone out there is making those stories and putting them on film. Occasionally there will be subtitles. It was fantastic.

Raise the Red Lantern (1991) - A super depressing movie about how much it sucks to be a concubine in 1920s rural China. It's gorgeous and has all of the lovely, quiet character moments that I adore. This movie also made me the only Gong Li fangirl in my neighborhood. I even saw that godawful Memoirs of a Geisha movie, based on the equally miserable book, just because she was in it. But Raise the Red Lantern owes a lot of its place in my heart to The Last Emperor (1987), which would be one of my top Ten Childhood Defining Movies

The Piano (1993) - This movie ticked all of my boxes and is my favorite romantic drama. I was probably 14 or so when I first saw it. It was the first film score I ever liked well enough to buy, and it's the only one I still listen to on a regular basis. Holly Hunter is just  fucking awesome; with each new episode of True Blood, the Gods of Cinema weep a little for all the blessings they bestowed upon little Anna Paquin; and, oh hey, look! It's Harvey Keitel's wang!

The Fifth Element (1997) - I watched this movie a ton. There's something about the sensibilities of this movie that just really works for me, and I wish there were more movies out there like it.

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TechNoir wrote:

Nice idea for a thread btw, I had never really thought about this before, I tried so hard to remember the labels of the VHS tapes we had at home but it feels like so long ago now...

I posted it in the Wizard of Oz thread. I wasn't sure if it would get enough traction to be worthy of it's own thread, but I'm glad to see pav brought it over here and folks are taking interest.  big_smile



So one of my 3 Childhood Defining Movies has changed from my earlier post because as much as I love The Princess Bride, I really should've put down The Secret of NIMH instead. The Princess Bride was that movie that my brothers and I could all agree upon and watch happily, but left to my own devices, I think my love for Mrs. Brisby is stronger than my love of Buttercup.

1. The Last Unicorn (1982) - I was probably seven or eight when I first saw this, so it's one of my earlier forays into Japanese animation, although it is an American production.
2. The Neverending Story (1984) - Good, depressing fun.
3. The Secret of NIMH (1982) - The beginning of my love for Don Bluth and still my favorite of his movies.

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Owen Ward wrote:
Dorkman wrote:
Mr. Pointy wrote:

Neverending Story being very close too, they showed that on HBO A LOT, back in the day

Ah yes. This one gets honorable mention for a childhood rotation movie, but this came in after I'd already watched the others about a million times each.

I actually really want to do a commentary for this because it is possibly the bleakest, saddest, most disturbing kid's movie of all time. (And the sequel is no slouch in the fuckedupedness either.)

If you haven't read the book, I highly recommend it. It was the first fantasy novel that properly engrossed me throughout.

I second this!  big_smile

After making my list, I rewatched the movies, which has made me want to read the books again as well. I don't currently have a copy of The Last Unicorn, my favorite of the three, so I went with The Neverending Story and it's just as lovely as I remember. It's a really brilliant read.

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fireproof78 wrote:
BigDamnArtist wrote:
fireproof78 wrote:

However, to list three would be Emperor's New Groove (I can watch that one again and again), Star Wars (the original) and Princess Bride, with George of the Jungle edging in there.

Wait, now I'm confused. I thought the 3 movies were the pinnacle ones from our childhood, TENG came out in 2000.

I'm still a child at heart. Like I said, I have a soft spot for children's movies, regardless of release date.

Fine, fine, play by the rules *sighs*

Star Wars, Aladdin and Princess Bride, with George of the Jungle tailing in there.

I wasn't trying to establish rules, per se; I was just more interested in those movies that helped establish your taste in film. And knowing this forum, I definitely should have said straight up that Star Wars only counts as one.  smile

My brother reminded me of one I'd nearly forgotten, Unico.

My mother hated these movies, 'cause they are fucking depressing, and the tapes "mysteriously" went missing after we moved. Forget about how cutesy the trailer is. Unico is one baby unicorn's endless tale of woe. Because the gods are jealous of his strange power to make the people around him happy, the poor creature is repeatedly taken from his family and friends, deprived of his memories, and abandoned in various desolate locations as punishment (originally the gods wanted to kill him, but changed their minds). It doesn't take him long to make new friends, whom he eventually ends up rescuing from some cruel fate. But no sooner is the day saved, than the West Wind comes along and snatches him up all over again.

Unico was the creation of Osamu Tezuka, so it had royal pedigree, but the tv series never got picked up and Tezuka died in 1989 without creating anymore stories. So basically, fans are stuck with a downer ending and the implication that it will be repeated ad infinitum.

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So Mike's three movies are  Ghostbusters, Annie and The Wizard of Oz. What about the rest of y'all?  big_smile


My three are The Last Unicorn, The Princess Bride, and The Neverendng Story. All three are adaptations of books and take place in a fantasy setting, which was fine growing up in the 80s, but left me with a pretty barren landscape as the years passed. Without a doubt, my love of The Last Unicorn is responsible for my enduring love of animation, because I never made the connection that animation=kid's fare=crap.  It's also one of the reasons I tend to like movies that avoid clear-cut happy endings. The Princess Bride had a major influence on my sense of humor, in that much of it is based on wit and wordplay rather than slapstick. Not that the physical comedy isn't there, but it takes a back seat to people saying interesting and clever things. And for a children's movie, The Neverending Story is pretty dark. I've read some reviews that make reference  to the whimsical, fanciful, and fantastic but all seem to ignore its unrelenting undercurrent of sorrow. There's a dead mom, a dead horse, and a dying princess, the whole world is slowly being destroyed, and the hero actually fails in his task. The parts I aways remembered about this movie were the gloomy, sad ones and that terrifying scene at the end between Atreyu and the Gmork.

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Ugh. Only if I can throw him back.

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For reasons I'm not entirely sure of, I was under the impression that no one liked this movie and it was universally regarded as terrible. I think I may have extrapolated a bit too much from some of the negative comments I heard regarding the monster's design. In any case, I'm not one for blockbuster movies and I didn't like Lost, so I figured there wasn't much in this one for me.

In any case, I only watched this for you guys, and ended up really enjoying it. So thank you very much for that.  big_smile

I have much the same opinion as you guys, except I'm kind of torn over the party scene. Rather than getting rid of the party scene, I just wish it and Rob and Beth's whole love story had been better executed. That would help to make this movie be about something.

I've managed to avoid a lot of actual 9/11 imagery, so when I see it reproduced in a film, I don't really know what it is I'm looking at. I imagine if Japanese filmmakers ever decide to put fictionalized 3/11 imagery in their movies, I'll have a similar sort of negative reaction.

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Jimmy B wrote:

I think Tennant is a good looking guy and he was in his 30s, not exactly old, was he?

I never said he was old. I said he wasn't young. I'm in my 30s myself, and there is a world of difference in that roughly ten year age difference.

As for their relative attractiveness, one of the things I've always liked about British TV is that it isn't always an endless parade of beauty queens and  models. Tennant and Smith are both just normal looking guys. I won't argue with your assessment that they're good looking, as that falls in the realm of personal taste, but hot? Um, no.

Feel free to jump them if you like, but I'm not gonna be in line for sloppy seconds and my head shall stay safely un-exploded.  wink

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While Smith certainly was young, Tennant wasn't, and neither of those men is hot. Seriously, those people need glasses.

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Allison wrote:

I think Capaldi's a great actor, but I probably won't start watching again until Moffat leaves.

Moffat has created stories that I like in the past, and although there wasn't much for me to like in series 6 or 7, one of those things was Matt Smith. But truth be told, if Smith had stayed on for another series as the Doctor, I probably give the show a past until Moffat left as well. As it stands, however, I'm much fonder of Capaldi than Smith, so I'm gonna give the next series at least a few episodes before I bail out.

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sellew wrote:

I'd just been lamenting the fact that they probably wouldn't go for an interesting choice.  (My favorite NuWho doctor has been Christopher Eccelston, though, so I'm obviously not the target audience.  Though to be fair I've only seen a handful of Matt Smith's episodes.)  However, Peter Capaldi could actually be interesting.  I've just been watching some William Hartnell serials actually and thinking "yeah, they need to get back to a Doctor that's a bit crankier and less of a milquetoast."  Shame we probably won't get the swearing.

I've been watching some of Four's adventures with Leela, and they've become some of my favorite episodes strictly because of the dynamic between the two. Apparently Tom Baker didn't like the concept for the character but decided to be a dick to the actress instead, and his disapproval came through heavily in his performance during her first several appearances. As a result, we have a situation where the Doctor and his Companion are wary of each other but still work together  to survive their adventures.

I love the slow build of their trust; it's so much more realistic and way more interesting than endless Doctor-worship we get from nearly all of the NuWho Companions and most of the guest stars. Everyone he meets seems to think this guy is awesome (even his enemies), and that gets really boring, really fast. I think that's a big part of why I love Donna so much. It's like she's the person in the Whoniverse who can see Ten's many glaring flaws and is willing to look past them and be a friend. Rory and Craig go in this category as well with Eleven.

So yeah, I'd love a Doctor who'd present a bit more of a challenge for Clara. Someone less receptive to her rote and uninspired flirting. Someone who might just make her rethink some of her choices. I rather adore Peter Capaldi, though in a perfect world, we'd get another series of The Hour instead, I would rather pleased if he got the role.

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Invid wrote:
Cotterpin Doozer wrote:

During the episode when the Doctor reunites with Sarah Jane, I wanted to  punch the stupid cow in the throat, and I hadn't even seen any of the classic series at that point. She doesn't  seem like a nice person, and I simply don't understand why the Doctor likes her or why we're supposed to like her.

To be honest, he liked her at the start because she talked back to him. Her character was always a bit inconsistent, going from independent reporter to childish companion carrying a teddy bear. There's nothing wrong with disliking her. I disliked the romance aspect they retconned into Sarah Jane's relationship with the Doctor. There was NONE of that in those episodes. Maybe some father/daughter issues, if anything.

hmm

Wait, are you talking about Sarah Jane? 'Cause my comment was about Rose. Sorry if I was a bit unclear, but I liked Sarah Jane. Sarah Jane was lovely. Even with the aforementioned retconned romance in that episode, Sarah Jane was nice to Rose, initially, and Rose was really bitchy in response.


Invid wrote:

Now, Tegan, she had hate sex with the 5th Doctor. We all know that.

No, some of us didn't know that! I really can't picture that scenario, but that's probably a good thing....

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BBQ wrote:
Cotterpin Doozer wrote:

I know I'm clearly in the minority when it comes to Rose. She is a fan favorite and a big part of why they were able to successfully bring the show back. But if I'd started watching the show with either series 1 or 2, there's no way I'd still be watching it now. During the episode when the Doctor reunites with Sarah Jane, I wanted to  punch the stupid cow in the throat, and I hadn't even seen any of the classic series at that point. She doesn't  seem like a nice person, and I simply don't understand why the Doctor likes her or why we're supposed to like her.

I assume that means you can't stand Amy then, because her character is so selfish she's downright unlikable for a solid percentage of her run.

Yeah, I don't much like Amy, but I don't hate her either. And if not for her, Rory never would've traveled with the Doctor, and that would've been a tragedy. In the beginning, I forgave Amy because it was clear she was running from something. Later on her behavior was more grating. But from the first Rory was a great character, and I wish we could've seen  more of him and the Doctor together.

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Owen Ward wrote:

I personally love how the show reinvents itself from time to time, giving it distinct eras. It keeps everything fresh and stops it from getting stale.

I think I'm more a fan of Doctor Who as a concept than the actual show, if I'm honest, but it is a terrific concept and there are times when the show really is awesome.

fireproof78 wrote:

And, for my part, the change from Nine to Ten was still off putting enough that it took me a while to warm up to Tennant. The relationship with Rose was one of the few things that made it work for me  smile

I know I'm clearly in the minority when it comes to Rose. She is a fan favorite and a big part of why they were able to successfully bring the show back. But if I'd started watching the show with either series 1 or 2, there's no way I'd still be watching it now. During the episode when the Doctor reunites with Sarah Jane, I wanted to  punch the stupid cow in the throat, and I hadn't even seen any of the classic series at that point. She doesn't  seem like a nice person, and I simply don't understand why the Doctor likes her or why we're supposed to like her.

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Owen Ward wrote:
Cotterpin Doozer wrote:

I would lay this at the feet of Russell T Davies, the show runner, creator of those characters, and writer of a huge chunk of those episodes. The reason why Rose is exactly the same with Ten as she was with Nine, despite the fact that it really doesn't make any sense for her to be so, is because RTD decided to keep their dynamic essentially unchanged.

You're actually the first person I've heard of who thinks their dynamic stayed the same. Many people (myself included) think they started to become a bit of an 'irritating lovey dovey couple' type, whereas I didn't get that with Eccleston. I dunno, maybe because I haven't watched any Series 2 in a while I'm remembering other peoples thoughts other than my own. Don't get me wrong, I do love Ten & Rose! Even if this post makes it seem otherwise, I still get it right in the feels when I hear the Doomsday score.

Well, I might be a bit off the mark with that actually. I wasn't a big fan of Eccleston as the Doctor, and I fucking hate Rose, so I haven't watched series 1 in a long time, and I have no plans to ever go back to it. I guess what I mean is that it isn't Rose, per se, but more that everyone around Ten treats him exactly the same way despite the fact that he's a completely different person than Nine was. Ten also feels like a character penned by the same writer as Nine. And although the lovey-dovey nonsense was cranked up during Ten's run, it wasn't absent with Nine. He handled things differently, but he was just as much of a jealous asshat when it came to Rose as Ten was. So despite the fact that there was a new Doctor, there was very little disruption in the Whoniverse.

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BigDamnArtist wrote:
auralstimulation wrote:

I'm sure that was intentional on the part of the creators, but it feels like such a big split in the show. The show during Eccleston's tenure bled right into Tennant's and while the show changed and evolved over time, it didn't feel distinctly different the way it did when season 5 started, in fact it always seemed to make a point to recall and remember previous characters, conversations and interactions in a way that I wish more shows would do.

I would lay this at the feet of Rose. Because she crossed over the gap of Doctors all the baggage sort of followed with her. Where as with Smith, it literally was wiping the slate clean, new Doc, new companions, new new new.

I would lay this at the feet of Russell T Davies, the show runner, creator of those characters, and writer of a huge chunk of those episodes. The reason why Rose is exactly the same with Ten as she was with Nine, despite the fact that it really doesn't make any sense for her to be so, is because RTD decided to keep their dynamic essentially unchanged.

The tonal shift we get in series 5 is not because we have a different Doctor. It's because there was a regime change behind the camera and basically anyone with any significant influence on the previous four series left. There have been rumors to the effect that there was some resentment on RTD's side when Moffat took over and that partly explains why Moffat was handed such a clean slate. Basically, RTD deliberately ended Tennant's run in such a way that it would be almost impossible for there to be much continuity, and Moffat began series 5 by trying to make the best of it.

The same was true of the classic series as well. Changes to tone of the show had a lot more to do with the people behind the camera than the people onscreen (not that the actor doesn't matter; Tom Baker, for one, had a lot of influence on the show).

BBQ wrote:
Allison wrote:

I love Alex Kingston, but I feel like the Moffat doesn't always know what to do with River. She seems to orbit the Doctor and dispense clues and...not much else.

That's because River Song wasn't a character, she was a plot device.

You cannot honestly watch the Library two-parter and tell me that River Song wasn't a real character. And for that character, in my opinion, Alex Kingston was an excellent choice. The problem was that, just as with the Daleks and the Cybermen, Moffat has thoroughly mangled River Song's story. Really, I'd say he managed a twofer, ruining both River Song and the Weeping Angels in the same two-parter.

I understand his desire to revisit the character and flesh out her mythos once he became showrunner. Unfortunately, the backstory he gave her just didn't add up to the character to whom we were initially introduced. The more he tried to make her time with the Doctor worthy of the payoff we got in Forest of the Dead, the less of a character she became and the more she was a poorly conceived means to an end.

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BigDamnArtist wrote:

This thread is beginning to hit Poe's law for me.

If asked I would have said at least half the ones in here are supposed to be sarcastic... but...


Ugh, you people.


Poe's Law. I did not know what that was. Thank you.

Anyway, I think the problem with threads like these is that they can get very list-y without leading to any actual discussion. I don't have any problem with hyperbole. By all accounts, Pluto Nash was a terrible, terrible movie, and I highly doubt Michael Ende got stomach cancer just because he didn't like the Neverending Story movies. Any worst/best thread is going to be full of grandiose opinions, but that's only a problem if we never get any idea of what formed those opinions.

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fireproof78 wrote:

Finally, no one mentioned "Battlefield Earth?" Or is that just universally considered bad without comment?  wink

Well, it does say the worst film you've ever seen, and I've avoided Battlefield Earth like the plague. In general, I have a low tolerance for bad movies, so I haven't actually seen a lot of notoriously bad films, especially those of the summer blockbuster variety.

But I did forget to mention The Neverending Story II: The Next Chapter and The Neverending Story II.  I remember seeing both of these in the theaters as a kid and being so angry at how bad they were. And that was before I read the book I realized what terrible adaptations they were. The author sued to have the title of the original film changed because he felt it differed so much from the source material; I sometimes wonder if his anger after seeing what they did in the second and third movies isn't what did the poor man in.


Jet wrote:

Wow, decisions..decisions. Like most, this thread isn't capable of holding the plethora of terrible films that get the green light. I could include any film with Eddie Murphy....

Wait a second, wait a second. Any film with Eddie Murphy? What about all of really great movies Eddie Murphy made in the beginning of his film career. Certainly things have been pretty dire for the past 20 years or so, but there are some real gems in that first decade. Partly, this is the girl behind the nostalgia glasses talking, I know, but having recently re-watched Beverly Hills Cop and 48 Hours, while far from perfect and showing their age quite a bit, I still found them both to be genuinely entertaining. Remember, the reason they've let the man make a seemingly endless stream of crap movies in recent years is because at one point he was both a true talent and cared enough to try and make good movies.

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bullet3 wrote:

I really, really disliked season 1, felt totally unworthy of being an HBO show, especially given the pedigree involved. I'll give season 2 a shot based on that interview with Sorkin where he acknowledged his failings on the 1st season and said they were changing things around and improving for season 2. Still think using real-world news-stories was a mistake.

I felt much the same about season one, and after the first episode, I'm not bothering with the rest of the second season. I have the same suspicions as Trey regarding the "What Happened to Maggie?" storyline, which are appalling if correct, and the overall tone of the show is just really grating. I much preferred the BBC's The Hour, which kind of a cross between The Newsroom and Mad Men while being about a thousand times better than either of those shows. Unfortunately, it got the axe earlier this year after only two brief series.

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What Dreams May Come stands out among the all the bad movies I've ever seen as the only one my whole family watched together and despised with equal passion. Usually, at least one person's tastes will diverge and we'll have a rollicking back and forth, discussing the movie's various pros and cons. But we were all of one opinion on that one.

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bullet3 wrote:

Also, if you in any way liked Cloud Atlas, or liked the idea but disliked the execution, for god's sake go on Netflix and watch "Fish Story". Similar concept of multiple stories connected through time via music, much shorter and better executed in my opinion. They're obviously very different, but for my money Fish Story has a much more appropriately light-hearted tone, more outlandish and less cliche individual stories, and ties the stories together at the end in a way more satisfying way. Cloud Atlas absolutely crushes it in scope and production value, no question, but it isn't ultimately as successful in my eyes.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this suggestion! This was a great little movie!

You're dead on about the scope, production value, and tone in comparison to Cloud Atlas. Really all they have in common is something of the structure. The most significant difference, however, is that the individual stories that make up each part of Fish Story are really good. That really is Cloud Atlas's biggest weakness. Four of the six stories feel weighted down by the rest of the movie, one of them is so far removed I almost forget is was part of the same film, and in Sonmi-451, it works. That's the only one that feels like a complete piece of storytelling. In Fish Story, every part is interesting and fun, and when you see how they fit together, it makes the whole thing even better. I'm tempted to hunt down the book of short stories the movie is based on and give it a go, assuming my Japanese skills are up to the task. After living here as long as I have, you'd think I'd know a bit more about good Japanese cinema.

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Withkittens wrote:
Invid wrote:

OK, can we just get rid of this whole "first series, 5th series" thing? The show started in 1963. Just name the Doctor. That's all the "series" information we need!

Sorry, I'm relatively new to the whole Doctor Who culture.

Having completed seven series of New Who at this point, I can see a need to distinguish between each series under Tennant's run and Smith's run. And most New Who fans will never go back and watch any significant portion of the show's previous incarnations, so there's no need to placate Old Who fans by having a consistent numbering system. IMO, since they abandoned the serial format, New Who feels like a different beast altogether, anyway, and worthy of a restart.

I didn't like Eccelston's run on the show, but I would be interested to know what he would've been like with a different Companion. Rose was just awful. I started with series 4, and of all the Companions, Donna is still my favorite. Series 4 is also the only series with RTD as showrunner that I actually like, so it seems like as good a place to start as any. Tennant was much less mopey and annoying in series 4, the backstory doesn't loom over it too badly, it's just as polished as later series, and it ends with the beginning of new era. Plus,  Catherine Tate's Donna really is really awesome.

There's also the bonus that you get Blink and the Library two-parter in their proper order.

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This was a great episode you guys, but I think you guys were greatly underselling the first episode of Black Orphan. While not the best first episode of a series I've ever seen, I thought it was very good, certainly more than enough to convince me to continue watching. The few things that the episode did wrong feel more like problems with the series in general that are more easily overlooked once you're invested. Anyway, I appreciate the recommendation. It's just the sort of show my older brother would adore but probably doesn't know anything about yet.