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This is sweet. No really, it couldn't have come at a better time. I'm no film maker by any means, but I do want to do projects like the Road Trip or LCC or something like that and edit it without it sucking.
So, can you test drive Audition? I know, I know, I should buy it and Premiere, but that might have to wait until a little later, unless there are student versions for cheaper ![]()
So, until I do get it, is *whisper* Windows Movie Maker ok? I mean, just to test drive. I'm just asking because it's for a friend...
I really wish this thread existed a month ago before I started editing, because goddamn do all these suggestions make sense in retrospect.
Also: This thread rules. Teague, you rule.
Also, I'm going to flat-out buy CS6. Cloud is great, but I don't want to pay by the month.
What is the deal with credits? Can we just crib from existing productions, or are there things we should be aware of (for example attributing a co-writer vs someone who wrote an earlier version) before copying the format?
*rolls neck, cracking sounds*
*cracks knuckles*
Lengthy response to follow, kids.
I'm going to start this by saying of you want a technical breakdown of software, hotkeys, media management, or shortcuts, I have zero interest in talking about that, and realistically there are already a million different resources for that. Your skill as an editor shouldn't in any way be dependent or attributed to knowledge of a piece of software. Everything I'm going to talk about here is workflow and philosophy. Also, I'm going to be talking about the difference between scripted and non, because while the goals should be the same, the workflow tends to be a bit different.
EDITING NON FICTION
This applies to documentary, non-game reality show, BTS or promo material. This is already assuming you've ingested media and know where all your assets are.
1). Create a project
1.5). Bin/folder architecture. Organization will save you dozens of hours later on, so take the time and set up a distinct series of bins so that every piece of media has a home. Most times my projects have bins that look like this:
01 Cuts
-CURRENT CUT
(If it's a tv show there will be sub bins here. Act 1, act 2, etc.)
-OLD CUTS
02 FOOTAGE
(usually a bin for every days shoot. Tapes generally have labeling that indicate day, cam number, and feel number. So a standard bin would be 0929A03. Meaning, September 29th, cam A, reel or tape 3.)
03 BROLL
04 GRFX
(this includes titles, mortises, Vfx, chyrons, custom or global filters, stills et. Prepare 1 sub bin for each)
05 MUSIC
06 EXPORTS
07 MISC
2). Paper Cut. You should have a general idea of what your story is before cutting. Of course it will change, but take the time to write a treatment. If you want to get fancy and have transcripts, go ahead and write selects of dialogue or verite, but otherwise proceed to.....
3). Interview cut downs. For each person you interview, you should have a cut down of their interview to just relative or interesting bits. Think 10:1 ratio of what you shot. This will still be way too long, but it'll help you focus.
4). String Out. A linear but fat string out of the story you're trying to tell. Interviews should be roughly where you want them, but you're not thinking visually yet, purely story. Length should be 3-6 times ideal trt. (Total running time.)
5 Cut down. Trim the fat. This applies first to extraneous story threads and dialogue, but will soon extend to grammar. For instance, a sentence that may start out as "So, it was so bizarre how Teague called me yesterday. He mentioned something about Paul being on fire but he just sounded so...I don't know like just so smug about it, you know what I mean?" will get trimmed and restructured to "Teague called me yesterday. / He mentioned / Paul on fire. / He sounded so smug about it. / It was bizarre."
6) Radio cut. Taking the cutdown, you will now introduce the pacing you want, the cutaways, the reactions, and the verbal grammar. You may take that last sentence and do this to it: (wide shot) "Teague called me. (Reaction person 1, reaction person 2) (L cut) He mentioned Paul on fire. (interview bite person 2 under best reaction shot available)... you get the idea. You're cutting the piece, with the exception of music and sound design. Many employers like to see the radio cut first prior to scoring. Then...
Music pass
Audio mix pass
Internal cut 1
Notes.
Internal cut 2
Notes
Client notes
Lock cut.
Color correction
Mixing
QC
Delivery
EDITING FICTION
The process for scripted material is the same from steps 4 onward. The only difference is the element of takes of the same performance. In Avid, I'll stack multiple takes on top of each other in the timeline, with script notes first choice in V1, and other takes I like above them. I'll then deactivate or monitor only certain tracks at a time. This helps you find the right flow and allows quicker ways of viewing multiple takes of a line or cutaway in the context of the larger scene.
I'm typing this entire post on my phone, so I'll have more to say when I can get to a keyboard.
Just bumping this for anyone that didn't see it or has anything to add. ![]()
/was here anyways
Thanks man. Just re-read mine and Eddie's posts, and... yeah. I dig this thread. (And "these" threads. Someone make one for something you know a lot about.)
Good timing that you've bumped this thread. I'm actually working on a research project for university at the minute in which the end result will basically be a 'how-to' guide on becoming a professional editor. It's more of a career-based thing than technical, but if anybody is interested I'll post it here once it's done.
However, to do this thing I actually need to y'know...speak to some working editors! So if there's anybody here who would be willing to help out and answer a few questions, that would be awesome. Also, if you know anybody who'd be happy to help out, that would be equally as awesome.
If Eddie's up for it, we could have him on an episode of EE to discuss this type of thing ![]()
Awesome, thanks for the help. I'm still preparing questions and such right now, so I'll shoot you an e-mail in the middle of the week or so once that's all sorted.
For the record, this is the best thread on the whole forum in my opinion in terms of amazingly useful knowledge.
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