Re: The Avengers
The wiki page for this episode is going to have to include all of Trey's fake comic-book character names.
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The wiki page for this episode is going to have to include all of Trey's fake comic-book character names.
Welcome, TheDu! Great first post!
I'm still curious to see an expanded version of the sexualism-in-comics discussion, that TheDu started up. How do you guys feel about it?
For reference, that conversation starts at around 2:05:30 in the NTSC download.
The mistake in all this discussion is assuming that what works for men (in regards to viewing women as sexy) also applies to women (in viewing men as sexy). Sexiness to a man is primarily about looks (youth, slimness, symmetry, health, fitness). Men don't care as much about the woman's social status, income, job, brain, etc. Women, on the other hand, have physical appearance as only one of many attributes. Consider it on a points-system where different attributes are weighted. Let's say anything over 100 points is deemed 'sexy'. For men, almost all the points come from the woman's looks: 20 points for long legs, 20 points for large eyes & lips, 20 points for hair, 20 points for flawless skin, 20 points for perky breasts, etc. For women, it may only be 30% weighted to men's looks, the rest coming from social status, wit, intelligence, leadership, humour, extroversion/confidence, positive outlook, etc. That's why withered old men can still get hot chicks because they make up the points in other areas. It doesn't work the other way around.
So equating sexualization of characters based solely on poses or revealing costumes is not a fair comparison.
Whilst there is a problem with sexism in the comics media, they picked quite possibly the worst example of it with that Avengers art.
Exactly. There are some shots of MAGNETO....holocaust survivor MAGNETO, and he has lats like Bruce Lee. SO that's why I don't jump onto the whole "Comics are sexist!" bandwagon because its about absurd sexual images for both genders equally, in my opinion.
I remember reading an X-Men comic somewhere along the way where even his legs are impossibly muscular and well defined, but the above image was the closest I could find in a web search.
Anyway, my point remains the same. Men are sexualized right along with women in how they're portrayed in comics and movies, it's just that men are sexualized in different ways from women. And what's wrong with being sexy anyway? Last time I checked none of us were Puritans.
What we're actually arguing over is something different, we're really arguing over objectification. The question is, "Is Scarlett Johannson being objectified as a sexual object and not being considered a person in her depiction in the movie or in that poster?" Is she treated or depicted in a manner in which she is nothing more than an inanimate object, without personality, dignity, self agency, or respect, and solely for men's sexual gratification? And the answer is obviously no. She's a character with a personality that passes the Plinkett Test and everything.
That's not to say there aren't plenty of examples of women characters being objectified all over media, including comics. But objectification and sexualizaton are different things and we needn't clutch our pearls over ScarJo showing some curve in the same frame as three guys with biceps the size of your thigh. And let's be honest, knee jerking about sexism in a movie written and directed by Joss Whedon is a little bit ridiculous.
Great episode. In this conversation I see a lot of angry opinion, but none from women.
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