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Ok, that was an awesome intermission. I'd never thought about this concept but I think it totally makes sense, very illuminating.
The Incredibles. Originally, I was only going to say Mr. Incredible, but really all of them start off well, their life gets stripped away and they have to fight opposition to come to protect everyone. The only problem is they get quite a bit of acknowledge at the end, but super hero identities do, not their secret identities.
Well, a lot of superhero movies contain the element of "nobody knows what you've become" at the end... but that's not really in the spirit of the idea. Nobody knows who Spiderman really "is" either, but it's a pretty straightforward Hero's Journey tale nonetheless. And people do still know about and applaud Spiderman/Batman/et al, so the recognition factor is still there.
But a story where the main character ends up NOT being a superhero anymore, and is okay with that, would be more likely to fit the paradigm. I can't think of any examples, but there probably are some.
Another Boy-Takes-Heroine's-Journey example that occurred to me on re-listening to the podcast, is The Family Man, with Nic Cage. I found it to be a really interesting movie - and a surprisingly grown-up effort from director Bret Ratner, of all people. And I was honestly shocked at the ending they went with, it was actually pretty brave to go that way. And it fits the paradigm perfectly.
Thinking about it, a lot of John Carpenter movies fit this model too. The Thing, the characters are living their normal lives (granted it's cold, but this is their job by choice), have to battle this creature, and in the end its not clear they've been successful, they're all dead and no-one from the outside will ever know what happened.
They Live, very similar (shockingly so, thinking about it, characters dead to save the world, no one will ever know it was them).
Big Trouble in Little China also fits the bill to an extent. I suppose Jack Burton's friends know he succeeded, but to the rest of the world he's just a crazy guy broadcasting on his CV radio. That one is a worse example probably, since he doesn't grow as a character (and continues thinking he's the hero instead of the sidekick).
I mentioned it in the chat during the episode but it likely got lost amidst the discussion or no-one had ever heard of it, but there's a European comic called The Wheel - The Prophecy of Korot (and by European I meant it's non-English). It's set in a future society where criminals are sentenced to live out their lives in an alternate dimension/dream state, and the story involves a man whose sentence involves him living out a life in this fantasy Conan the Barbarian-like realm... as a princess. It's a bizarre story and involves this guy-as-a-girl leading a kingdom to victory in a war. At the end he returns back to his reality and with his sentence over continues his normal life, no-one being any the wiser about what he accomplished whilst in the form of this princess.
I thought it was a really interesting twist on the hero/heroine's journey. Worth googling and reading a scanalation, since I don't believe it's published in English.
An example of a movie where the hero loses all his powers and is ok with being normal at the end is TRON.
Lord of the Rings does fit the template - the Hobbits all get bowed to at the end in the equivalent scene to the medal-ceremony in Star Wars.
Afterwards, Sam gets the girl and becomes Mayor, and Frodo gets to go on a cruise with Galadriel.
The counter-argument is that while the Hobbits are acknowledged in Gondor, they're ignored in the pub in Hobbiton. The bloke next to them was more concerned about his giant pumpkin.
Weird thing is, I was starting to write a script for a movie I wanted to make called "A Heroine's Journey" about a month ago. Coincidence? I think so.
Wow you guys thought of everything I was about to say, Alien/s, Contact, parenting and maturity...
I bet those mid west hicks would have believed Dorothy if she came back with a wax roll that had 2 missing hours recorded on it!!!
So a crude summary is the male journey is about rising status (schmuck to king), and the female journey is about status maintenance.
This maps onto evolutionary psychology i.e. men seek status (wealth, power, fame) to maximize their mating opportunities.
Women, on the other hand, start off with all the status they're ever going to get, because it's all about beauty and beauty generally peaks in their late-teens. So their quest is about maintaining what status they have.
I think it's more that a woman's rise in status, through marriage, is assumed and normal, thus the story usually starts AFTER that has happened in this version.
Interesting ideas.
The Long Kiss Good Night fits the template.
How about Sarah Connor's storyline in the Terminator franchise?
Hermilone Granger?
Though I guess she does get recognition, not nearly as much as HP.
Yeah, I'm sure she was in the papers for a while after everything went down.
Although on the subject of HP, Kreacher might be the closest thing in there to a Heroines Arc. He goes from a lowely, abused house elf, to become a likeable enough character that kinda likes the gang, to leading the Hogwarts house elves against Voldy. And finally returning to a humble life (Implied, but it's still there), unrecognized.
EDIT: Although if we include the whole part of falling from royalty and having to regain it. Not so much. So maybe it's half and half.
I think Martha might be closer to the Heroine's Journey as far as Doctor Who goes. But only in the final three episodes of that series.
What about Princess Leia in Star Wars (ANH)? She undergoes no change in status, arguably learns to be a better person (the Leia of the first half would never have rushed out to hug Luke and Han), and doesn't get a medal at the end (she's the one handing them out!).
Had my first screenwriting class today. Mind you, I'm not even a Film student......I'm a Medical student, but I decided to stray outside my comfort zone for my 'free choice module' (what us Brits call Gen Ed.). On the way to class I decided to listen to this episode and all of it was addresses in the lecture. I looked like a fucking boss reciting Joseph Campbell and relating it to Propp and storytelling. Made the actual film students look stupid.
Just wanted to say thanks for making me sound smarter than I actually am.
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