1 (edited by Dave 2013-04-25 16:01:21)

Topic: Let's discuss Iron Man 3. [SPOILERS]

What a fucking mess.

I alluded to some issues in the chat box - those primarily being an incomprehensible script, and Pepper suddenly becoming a killer-ninja fire beast.

Additionally, it wraps up with (and I kid you not), "I fixed everything" as a voice-over, and vague shots of tony having the circle glowing thing removed from his chest.

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this film sends me into a near murderous rage. an awful way to cash grab at the series.  it'll probably appeal to the transformers fans though as it has lots of things blow up even if it's mindless and i dont care about any of the characters. as dave said, montage out and everythings fine...

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What were some of the bigger issues you had with the plot?

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It's getting fantastic reviews. I haven't seen it yet. Honest question, what do you think the critics are seeing in it that you guys don't?

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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5 (edited by Dave 2013-04-25 17:10:02)

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I think they're blinded by the explosions, and possibly the banter. It throws a lot at you, and doesn't give you too much time to go "wait a minute ..."

When I got out of the cinema I wasn't too irritated by the film, but after sleeping on it my dissatisfaction has deepened. There are so many things raised which just don't make any sense, and logic jumps which don't have connective tissue, that the entire thing is deeply unfulfilling.

There are nice bits - Tony gets some great one liners, the robot bits are always fun, and his character does have an arc. But the Jeeves is now a full blown AI, and basically Tony's sidekick for the entire film. AI annoys the fuck out of me.

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trying to write coherantly isn't my strong point, hence why i dont post much on here or any forum.  there is too much to list for me but i didnt get out of the cinema before it annoyed me. there are characters who are introduced to give a funny slap stick punch line and go nowhere, a kid missing his dad to give it some emotional grounding as there isnt any really in the main story who does nothing other thanhelp out by escaping from a situation that was only causedy him being there,, it feels like a contrivance as the whole plot serves no puropose oter than an excuse for a feel good clip in the afformentioned everything's fine montage at the end.
The main protagonist and his minions are able to tear dozens of iron man suits apart with their bare hands and survive explosions and occasionally being blown up and regrowing half their heads (depending on whats needed sometimes they survive a 3000 degree explosion and others dies when a sparky microwave ignites a bit of gas after walking through an inferno) not to mention suddenly Guy can breath fire for one scene that never comes back. All this and suddenly super fire ninja pepper kicks his ass and wins.

Im not great at articulating why i really, dislike this film, its disjointed, setups arent paid off some payoffs have no setup and never occur again, suddenly tony has an army of ai iron man suits that are all fully functioning when tony jumps into them and fully autonomus as well as seemingly made of aluminium foil (bad guys tear them apart with their bare hands cause they're hot i guess) and the kit even breaks off a finger from one of the suits...

rant over, there is plenty more that i dont like but as mentioned man times on theis site your milage may vary, did not work for me at all and the fact it had glimmers of great lines or the odd entertaining scene made the fact it was so bad much worse.  im done, bloody hate typing but have soo many more prblems with this film.....

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Hmm, I rather liked it.

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Why so, lab?

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Maybe you could enlighten me, but I didn't think it was incomprehensible. Nothing struck me that way at least. Apart from the fire demons, which was admittedly a bit silly. Maybe more than anything, it was enjoyable to watch. Although I think it's getting too good a reception to say that it's just the 'splosions. Certainly the action scenes are well done (particularly falling from AF1) but Stark is a real character who you care about which TF lacks. Maybe it is the dialogue that's distracting me and others from how incomprehensible it is, but what's wrong with that?

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As a skydiver, yep the falling scene was fun to watch. not remotely feasable but well captured (good luck talking to anyone in freefall and i won't bother asking how the "i'll electrify your arm so you cant let go" bit worked).  again its the fact it has good moments that make me more dissapointed with the overall film.  i dont expect any type of reality from an iron man film but i do want some level of consistency with the two other films and the avengers since its mentioned constantly throuought IM3. we have had previously a fight between iron man and Thor which was hard fought though Thor clearly had the upper hand being a literal god and all. now we have Guy Pearce (go aussie) and his minions who can shred the iron man suit with no effort which is something the god of thunder wasn't able to do and why, because they are hot??. If it was a stand alone film no problem but it's not, it has 3 films worth of hstory behind it and contradicts a hell of a lot of what came before it.

Tony having the panic attacs because of the new york thing was a nice touch but nothing comes of it, it allows him to have a moment with an inconsequential character (the kid) who tells him to build something then he's fine the rest of the film. I dont care about the random kid he meets, he does nothing to progress the story, neither does ben kingsly but at least the argument there can be made that he's the macguffin of the film.

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I liked it, I had fun with it which is all I wanted, really.

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I saw it and the overall feeling was "meh". I felt almost exactly like I felt leaving Oblivion. Not a waste of 2 hours, but I've already forgotten it and I don't really think I'll ever watch it again. Maybe it's just the fact that I am not a comic book reader, and after 3 movies of Iron Man destroying things the novelty has worn off.

But also I hate it when consistency is disregarded just to serve the plot. In the first movie the Iron Man suit is almost indestructible. And in this one the suits are made of cardboard. It takes the movie from "Oh yeah, Stark is in the suit, now to wreck some shit" to "Being in a suit means he can fly, no other advantages".

The main villains are, atleast in my mind, the biggest "oh really?"-moment I've had in a while. Maybe I cannot completely disconnect reality when watching live-action movies, even if they are based on comic books where science and logic sometimes go out the window, but Guy Pearce repeatedly heats himself up to 3000 degrees, enough to melt steel, and yet his pants stay on. And his tattoo on his chest somehow stays intact aswell? Also the justification for being able to heat himself up to 3000 degrees is "something-something-DNA-upgrade". F--- you.

And yeah, the end is rushed, and the "my girlfriend was a firebreathing DNA-enhanced mega-demon for a while, but I fixed her, it's what I do" moment was also incomprehensibly lazy.

Also Tony's anxiety attacks have no bearing on anything. 2-3 times he freaks out a little but it seems to be there literally just to give him some kind of dimension. In the 1st film he became Iron Man, big arc. 2nd one he and his relationship with his father was the focus. Here his girlfriend gets kidnapped and he has anxiety attacks that are used for comedic effect.


I don't know, I think I'm more or less done with these types of movies overall. It seems you need to read the comics or additional material to get a deeper connection with the characters. Watching the movies, after the origins story and the occasional gem of character study and plot structure (Dark Knight, Avengers), there isn't much more to gather from them. Things blow up in slow motion. Seen it.

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13 (edited by Dave 2013-04-27 13:08:25)

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Australia isn't part of Europe. It's your right and privelage as an American to not pay attention to the rest of the world, though.

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Can I just point out that Tony stark handily encountering a television truck, then using said television truck to hacks government satellite (after checking his connection on speedtest.net), which then served him shocking video exposition, fucking sucked.

Shittiest way to deliver that information, ever. That entire sequence felt like it was written so Stark could use that fucking website in the film.

Stark is in a television van with a dish on the roof. What the ever loving fuck is a website that checks your connection speed going to do? Measure your point-to-point connection to a military satellite, using a man in the middle attack?!

Product placement is fine when it works with the flow of the script, but that website isn't something you use on the way from point A to B (like eating a burger in a car, the car itself, or a telephone). It's a product you need to fabricate a reason to use.

I stipulate the entire sequence about the TV truck / mil sat / handy plot-essential video, was the result of a paid advertisement by speedtest.net.

(I would pay monies for a mobile-device friendly version of down in front. Also, do not write long posts at 4:30am when you've just woken up)

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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So now tell me:
a) how do you just electrify someone's arm?
b) when did iron man gain the ability to selectively electrify his suit?
c) I've seen video of people being tasered, and convulsing. That person is in no kind of control - they're effectively dead, jerking weight. How is that more useful that someone being coherent?

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While I hated captain electrowhip, I hate mr burning more (but both still pale in comparison to how much I detest flambé Pepper).

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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Why the hell doesn't Mk42 run off of the near-endless power source built into his goddamn chest? The car battery thing drove me nuts.

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If only that were the biggest issue with the film, right?

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I know it's not, but that was what bothered me the most for some irrational reason.

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A child ripped one of the suits fingers off. It was made of tin foil and sticky tape. Structurally, it probably wouldn't have supported an arc thing (I have no idea)?

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"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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You're no longer allowed to tell anyone off for liking shit films.

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