1 (edited by Writhyn 2015-03-05 07:00:10)

Topic: Prince Rupert's Drops as Arrowheads

I'm working on developing an army based on mongols crossed with winged hussars, and had this idea for them to attach (carefully) Prince Rupert's Drops to shafts for use as arrowheads.

Does anybody here have enough familiarity with glass works to know if this would work?

Obviously they'd be incredibly fragile and useless as piercing arrows, but thousands of arrows exploding into glass dust against enemy armor sounds like a badass weapon. It would SUCK to be on the receiving end: glass in your eyes, lungs...

My main concern is whether the drops would be fragile enough to blow up as soon as they were launched by a bow.

Honestly I may not even end up using the idea. I'd hate to have to write from the perspective of the good guys with their eyes being shredded by glass.

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2 (edited by BigDamnArtist 2015-03-05 07:12:47)

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Yeah they'd be attached via the bulb.

But I wasn't thinking the shrapnel would be deadly. The guy in the video had glasses and probably was holding his breath.

What if you had no idea what they were, did not have glasses, and had no presence of mind to hold your breath as thousands of these are exploding in the air around you?

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That's fair enough, if you're just thinking pure bulk "just fill the air with glass powder" that could be pretty intense.

Although if that's all you're going for, I think arrow delivery might not be the most efficient method. Just in terms of man power and supplies to attach each one individually or in small groups to an arrow shaft. I'm almost wondering if something more along the lines of a catapult or trebuchet delivery of a small bundle might be better. Just bind 50-100 drops together and launch that into the mix.

All of this is of course with the caveat that I do think the image of thousands of arrows exploding into glass fragments is ENTIRELY badass, though not entirely practical.

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1. This is an awesome idea. Props for having it.

2. I'm almost certain the sudden increase in G's at the shooting of the arrow would break the Drop before the arrow left the shooter's facial region.

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I suspect there are far more effective and practical weapons of a similar explodey-chemically sort. A tiny vial of acid attached to an arrow, phosphorus, sodium in a moist environment, stuff like that.

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Wouldn't phosphorus explode on impact and keep burning?

I'm with Teague in my limited ability to understand physics, which has certainly limited my own writing some times.

It sounds cool, but I think Zarban might have a point is all I'm saying.

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Prince Rupert's drops are really cool tho. They might be more suited to traps than weaponry. The drop is robust, so it could hold off a spring mechanism, but touch the trip wire attached to the tail, and the drop vaporizes, allowing the spring to trigger the trap.

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In an Iron age society, even if the enemy with the glass is more advanced, I don't know if mass produced chemical weapons is more practical than glass.

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I like the trap idea, maybe.

Also in response to your manufacturing questions, Teague, I don't know if they could be made with more consistent, less spindly tails. Maybe if they were dropped into a narrow tube of water instead of a bucket.
If this did result in stronger Drops, I'm guessing even ones strong enough to survive the 5 g's would shatter on impact with hard surfaces like shields. If they hit flesh, they might pierce without blowing up....

...only to shatter into a gazillion pieces inside the wound when it hits bone or a surgeon tries to remove it.

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13 (edited by BigDamnArtist 2015-03-05 09:27:09)

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14 (edited by fireproof78 2015-03-05 10:56:01)

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Trap idea is definitely a more robust and reliable idea. I wouldn't want to be the guy creating the arrows, nor the one firing them; same goes for packing and firing the trebuchet packs. But the trap idea? I now have something for my next Dungeons and Dragons game I run, thanks.

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We have reviewed your proposal for a new weapons system - thank you for your submission.
After careful consideration, we feel that the complexities of manufacture and delivery make your proposal unfeasible for us at this time.  Instead, we have opted to continue with our current system of setting the arrows on fire, which has proven highly successful.

Yours,
Genghis Khan

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Does tempered glass make Prince Rupert's drops of the same style? For some reason I'd think the differing properties would keep it from forming the same but I'm actually curious now.

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20 (edited by ShadowDuelist 2015-03-06 01:03:59)

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I don't see this being any more effective than regular arrows. If they're armored such that regular arrows are ineffective, I can't see you getting anything into their eyes. If you shoot enough, maybe you can irritate their lungs some, but I can't see it doing anything meaningful. While it's a cool idea, it doesn't pass the bullshit test for me.

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23 (edited by BigDamnArtist 2015-03-06 08:59:28)

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Oh gods. Forgive me for even coming up with this.

But...

Small drop, inch wide or so mounted inside an arrow head. Basic principle being: arrow head pierces, driving drop either into flesh or near skin. Causing the drop to burst in close proximity or inside an open wound.

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