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The Law.

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I really enjoyed this episode (I was present for the live record). I had seen the film for the first time mere hours before, and I loved it. Apparently, the original creator of Judge Dredd was a consultant on the film and I think it shows. Furthermore, in addition to being naturally funny, Down In Front was in top form in explaining why the movie works and suggesting alternatives or how to fix the few things that didn't work. Great episode! One of my favorites!

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Thanks, Pav!

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Things I noted down whilst listening to your commentary

Dredd's expression - in the comics he wears shoes that are one-size too small, not sure why though.

The elevator inconsistency thing - looking back it appears that her finger was on the trigger and he puts his hand over the top of her hand so would be able to activate the gun by pressing down on her finger - kinda like someone unworthy picking up Thor's hammer by picking up Thor whilst he is holding the hammer (ish)

The sentence fitting the crime thing - one of the comic stories is set at a blood donation center, man is scared of needles, runs away, steals a blood transportation van (full of blood) to aid his escape, van crashes and blood is ruined. Dredd sentences him to the IsoCubes where he must remain until he has repaid the blood, and at 1 pint a day (or maybe a week) that will be quite a long time (it was a big van).

What spoilt the movie for me was, having seen The Raid some months before, I was waiting for the time when Dredd dropped his gun, or run out of bullets, and had to go up against a room of baddies armed only with his two fists and night stick, so we could have seen just how tough and bassass he is - but it never happened. sad

The thing I don't get is, if they needed it to make $50 million in the USA for them to get their sequel (which would have deatl with the corruption in the force and Dredd venturing into the Cursed Earth), and I know hindsight is 20-20, but why take a character who is pretty much unknown there and saddle the movie with the more expensive 3D ticket price and 18 certificate ? If they'd ditched the 3D and gone for a 15 (they have 15 in USA, right ?!) wouldn't that have widened their possible audience by being more enticing - no being asked to pay extra for the glasses to see something you know barely little about. Then they could have brought out an unrated version for the DVD/BlueRay market. (appeaseing all the 2000AD fans up in arms about the 15 certificate)

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In the US it goes from 13 (PG-13) to 17 (R), and the rating system is remarkably corrupt and arbitrary.

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Well, if it wasn't an uncompromising R it would lose a lot of what makes it good to begin with, this movie would suck as a PG-13, and after the PG-13 Stallone one, would be losing a lot of good-will with the fan community.

I agree that the 3D was probably a mistake, that probably would've saved them 20 mil, and it didn't really bring in any extra money. That combined with the shitty marketing campaign, which made it look stupid and "EXTREME" instead of playing up the serious tone and gritty sci-fi aesthetic really fucked the movie over. Why they chose to focus the trailer around the bad one-liners (which work great in context, but sound really bad slapped into a trailer like that) kills me.

I mean you look at something like Battle: LA, where they cut masterful trailers for a pretty shit movie and it ended up making bank, and you compare to this, it's just really unfortunate how much bad marketing can fuck you over

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I've seen situations where a movie gets caught in limbo between PG-13 and R, which sucks, so deciding from go that a movie is going to be a hard R can be a valuable decision. But yeah, then the rub is finding a way to package and sell it properly.

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Regarding Trey's nitpick:

The way he's holding her, she has the grip on the gun and can't let go while he's only touching the trigger. So it's safe to assume that the gun would fire under these conditions. And even if that wasn't the case and the gun didn't fire, her head would get blown off. So whatever she tries in that elevator, if the trigger gets pulled, she's screwed.

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9 (edited by Jimmy B 2013-01-21 16:59:05)

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I should point out that I disagree with Trey's contention that Ma-Ma's heart-monitor is poorly designed.

You would never want to design the dead-man switch to send a continuous signal until it goes away, as any kind of radio interference would set off the bomb and likely kill you. You can't really count on a reliable enough signal to risk the chance of this happening, so Mama's version is actually much more sensible.

In her position, you'd much rather risk having it accidentally not go off, than risk it accidentally going off and either killing you or blowing up your business (also, she would never be able to leave the building technically speaking).

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13 (edited by bullet3 2013-01-21 23:14:41)

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I've done a fair bit of network code, and while yes, there are hand shake protocols and rt packets in place to keep a connection alive (Wifi is quite fault tolerant), you would never, ever, want to stake your life on that. You realize how easy MaMa would be to assassinate if all I had to do was knock out her WiFI transmissions for 10 minutes and her whole building explodes? Just DDOS the receiving end and it's game over.

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I knew I didn't know much about movies, but now I see I know even less.  mad  - btw: looking down that link I'm kinda shocked about the Die Hard 2 figures cos I was so certain it was generally felt to be a pale imitation of the first and thus did badly at the box office, but instead it blew the original away.  cool

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I argue that Die Hard 2 is a perfectly fine film and is only "bad" whenever it makes reference to itself as a sequel. If you were to make a fan edit and remove the few (but glaring and obnoxious) moments of self awareness, the film would play much better. The only one I would keep? The last one at the end, when Holly asks John, "Why does this keep happening to us?" mostly because it was expertly delivered and makes me laugh every time.

Back to Dredd: I find it silly that anyone who has seen The Raid can't enjoy (or won't watch) Dredd, as if seeing one completely invalidates the other or renders it unnecessary. One should have no effect on the other. Sure, the plots are basically the same (the law must bring justice to a lawless high rise, but are trapped inside and forced to battle the inhabitants as demanded by a crime boss who resides on the top floor), but so what? If I see Armageddon first, does that mean Deep Impact has nothing to offer me and I shouldn't even bother? Of course not. They are very different movies, premise notwithstanding.

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I liked this one. Good movie and good commentary. I'd actually class this as a perfect movie, and apart from my personal irritation with the slowness of the slow-mo scenes, I can't recall a bum note. Sure, you guys raised a few criticisms but these are mostly on the pernickety side and aren't egregrious.

I've not really read any Dredd stories (one or two perhaps decades ago) but I imagine that this movie has everything you could want from a movie adaptation. It's easy to go in and expect something more like the Watchmen or with characters and setting that are more nuanced, but I guess Dredd is what it is.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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That's the vibe I'm getting too, but John Moore hasn't found a movie yet he couldn't fuck up, so I'm still skeptical.

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Driving testers are taught to have great poker faces. If thy give away in the middle of a test that you've failed, thy run the risk of you getting really upset and crashing the car. Sucks, though.

"The Doctor is Submarining through our brains." --Teague

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23 (edited by Jimmy B 2013-01-22 15:17:33)

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