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Oh man, so I'm rewatching Final Fantasy Spirits Within, and I'll be damned if that's not one of the weirdest wide US studio releases I've ever seen. Just everything about it is so uncanny valley and wrong.

And that's before you get into the entire idea of doing a Final Fantasy movie that has no relation to any of the games. Now, yes, none of the games at the time had any relation to the previous releases story or character wise, but you had similar fantasy worlds, mixed in with high tech stuff. This, from memory, was straight SF.

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Final Fantasy Spirits Within is a fascinating movie, if only because it's a Western-targeted film made by Japanese with all their sensibilities but intermixed with American movie cliches, so it comes with both an environmental message and a kick-ass band of marines cut from the Aliens cloth.

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So...watched Pirate Radio last night.

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redxavier wrote:

Final Fantasy Spirits Within is a fascinating movie, if only because it's a Western-targeted film made by Japanese with all their sensibilities but intermixed with American movie cliches, so it comes with both an environmental message and a kick-ass band of marines cut from the Aliens cloth.


I heartily disagree. Spirits Within is a trainwreck.
See, when you slap the Final Fantasy sticker on a movie, you're making fans all over the world grow expectations. Spirits Within didn't deliver. At all.

It's a very well made movie, for its time, but it wasn't, and still isn't Final Fantasy. Did I want a J-pop-esque film with overly beautiful, yet emo characters that save the world while coping with their own problems?

...Kinda. But then Spirits Within came out, FF hadn't been stamped with the whole emo-thing. The latest game out, at the time, was FFIX, which was the prettiest game thus far, character-wise. And that game had Quina.
The games really defining the series at the time were 6 and 7. 6 didn't have the graphics to really make the beauty stamp, and had a compelling story, a great roster of characters, a friggin' 16-bit opera scene, and Kefka.
7, on the other hand, had existensial crisis, world peril, a rich world and Sephiroth.

These games really defined what Final Fantasy should be, and the film completely ruined it. It was set on earth, had only human characters, and a terrible roster. Aki Ross wasn't really interesting, Dr Cid wasn't either, and the badguy, whose name I can't even remember? Nah, gtfo dude.



Now Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children, on the other hand...

..Was even worse. Goddamn it.

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See, I have no history or expectations with the Final Fantasy franchise, and don't know any of the characters in any game or even what world it's set in (other than a vague sense that's more fantasy than sci-fi!), so I've never judgeed it on the merits of its faithfulness or respect to its namesake. However, I've endured enough examples of that experience with other properties so completely see where you're coming from.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. - Carl Sagan

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Ya, I never approached it as a Final Fantasy movie, just as a "realistic" all-cg animated sci-fi film, which fell on it's face really really hard.

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Posted this some time ago in the chat:

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Blade Runner - 30th Anniversary Ultimate Collector's Edition [Blu-ray]

Since I don't already own Blade Runner, I'm very much interested. All the differents releases, which is cool in case I'd want to check out the original theatrical release (and I probably will), commentaries, LOTS of bonus, a cheap plastic spinner but hey, why not, and a book "The Art of Blade Runner", which is very, very cool. I'm gonna preorder it soon.

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Never owned Blade Runner, so I picked up the new Blu-Ray yesterday. The transfer is phenomenal. It's the kind of thing you want to use to show off your home theater system. Oh, and the movie is cool too, I guess. There's a massive documentary called Dangerous Days. It's over three hours long, so I haven't dug deep into it yet, but it looks really comprehensive. For that alone, you should get this set if you like Blade Runner.

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Dangerous Days is definitely one of the best retrospective 'making of' docs.

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I've always been a fan of "Killing Priscilla."

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Nothing beats "Heart of Darkness" in my book

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vidina wrote:


Now Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children, on the other hand...

..Was even worse. Goddamn it.

I was about to say...then you said it. While I enjoyed the film, it made absolutely no sense. Even after I read more on Final Fantasy, I still was confused.
So, um, cool story, I think?

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SO in my continuing quest of re-watching forgotten/hated sci-fi movies from my childhood, I pulled up "Sphere" on netflix streaming. This is an interesting one because I kinda dug it as a kid, and I will say, while the 2nd half of that movie is a goddamn clusterfuck, it's got a really fucking cool premise, and that 1st half is pretty damned good. What I especially like is how it harkens back to more classical sci-fi, where it's just a bunch of scientists trying to logically approach and figure out what is going on. There's also a pretty fun sense of humour between everyone, and they feel like real adults for awhile.

The part that's always stuck with me is when Samuel Jackson reasons out 20 minutes into the movie that clearly they are all going to die, since there was no record of their discovery on the ship from the future.

Of course the second half falls apart spectacularly. Having read and also enjoyed the book, this is a clear case where I really think they should've ditched where the book goes in the 2nd half and found an alternate 3rd act. Killer jellyfish and a giant squid is just a stupid, goofy concept in an otherwise pretty hard-sci-fi movie, and I cannot fathom how they thought this would work as they were making it. It should also be noted that this cribs pretty heavily from Tarkovsky, being kind of a combination of Solaris and Stalker, but applied to a b-movie sci-fi thriller.

Still, for what is ultimately universally acknowledged as a failure, I'd argue there's still some things to like in the film, certainly worth checking out if you've never seen it.

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fireproof78 wrote:
vidina wrote:


Now Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children, on the other hand...

..Was even worse. Goddamn it.

I was about to say...then you said it. While I enjoyed the film, it made absolutely no sense. Even after I read more on Final Fantasy, I still was confused.
So, um, cool story, I think?

If you ever played FF7, which this is a direct sequel to, you'd know the problem. Nothing makes any bit of sense whatsoever. It's really only nerdgasm eyecandy. I loved upon first viewing, because it had sephiroth, it looked good, it had insane 'stunts', etc.

Since then, I've grown very far away from even enjoying anime to the slightest(sorry, I have), so now I see the film for what it actually is. Horrific.

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Just saw Attack the Block with my hallmates.   Currently too impressed to form sentences.

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Attack the Block did not get any press in the US. It's been word-of-mouth, like District 9. I'll definitely have to catch up with it.

I rewatched Waking Ned Devine yesterday, which I loved just as much this time as I did the first. My 9-y-o nephew watched the last hour of it and liked it a lot. For me, this stands with Local Hero and (to a slightly lesser degree) The Englishman Who Went up a Hill But Came Down a Mountain as simply adorable British film making.

Then my 9-y-o niece arrived, and the three of us watched Big Trouble in Little China. It was awesome, altho the monster was scary but you could kind of tell that it was fake.

Ninotchka was a real disappointment. I remember liking Greta Garbo in other stuff in my college film class, but this comedy of manners didn't work for me at all. She's a humorless Soviet diplomat romanced by Melvyn Douglas as a slick, unscrupulous sort—the missed remake should have starred Jodie Foster and George Clooney. It's considered a major classic, but all the humor falls flat, and Douglas seems old and unlikeable. I gave up after 20 minutes, not long after she falls for him and learns to laugh—because I didn't.

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I saw Attack The Block in the cinema March last year it has been shown on UK TV a couple of times since as it was financed by Channel 4 over here. I think t's great and it's a shame it wasn't bigger than it was, not even here. It was released at a ridiculous time.

I have been a fan of its director since the 90s as part of comedy duo Adam and Joe smile

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America has no comedy double acts. What has happened to us?  sad

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I don't know, You have Romney and Ryan.......

BOOM! Topical! If slightly inaccurate!

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Zarban wrote:

America has no comedy double acts. What has happened to us?  sad

Stand up comedy has replaced the older vaudeville model, comedy clubs replacing nightclubs. You still have double acts, but you have to look at the sketch TV shows to find them. Comedy Central has one, Key and Peel.

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The guys whose act mostly consists of pretending to be gay, gangsters, Obama, or some combination of that will save us from Dane Cook?

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NBC will save us from Dane Cook, they cancelled his sitcom before it even aired big_smile

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Actually, another comedy duo came to mind, Garfunkel and Oats, singers of dirty songs. Stephen Lynch also usually has some friends on stage with him so he can play off of them.

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Maybe it's just that double acts lasted longer in the UK than in the US, because even theirs are dying out. And maybe the ones that still exist are no more prominent there than here.

In the US, we had Abbott & Costello, Burns & Allen, Lewis & Dean, Hope & Crosby, the Smothers Brothers, Rowan & Martin, and so on, which were gone by the mid-'70s (altho the Smothers Brothers soldiered on in relative obscurity for years.) Ackroyd & Belushi ended in the mid-'80s.

Whereas the UK had Cook & Moore, the Two Ronnies, Morecambe & Wise, Fry & Laurie, French & Saunders, and such. The latter three lasted into the '80s and '90s. Pegg & Frost are probably the most prominent double act now.

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Zarban wrote:

Pegg & Frost are probably the most prominent double act now.

Not really. We have Mitchell & Webb, Punt & Dennis, Reeves & Mortimer and Armstrong & Miller most of whom are 'household names' here and who all constantly work (as duos and apart). Our most famous and most prominent double act are a couple of cheeky lads known as Ant & Dec. They are not really a comedy double act despite trying their hand at sitcoms and comedy films. They earn millions by hosting 'I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here', Britain's Got Talent' and a game show called 'Red or Black'. They are two of the biggest paid TV stars we have and while they are not the conventional doube act, if you ask a normal Brit, they will know who they are more than they would Pegg & Fost (especially Frost). Oh and The Chuckle Brothers have had their own kids comedy TV show since the late 80s big_smile

Pegg & Frost are more movie stars now although I can see why they are seen as the most prominent from outside the UK. You guys don't have the others rammed down your throat as much as we do smile

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